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  • Firestore Vs Decklink tape capture for FCS2 workflow??? …PLZ help.

    Posted by Adam Coyle roach on May 27, 2009 at 6:50 am

    I’m gonna throw this out there in a few different forums to see what people with more knowledge than myself have to say about the matter.

    I have a decklink card which i dont use yet. should i sell it and buy a firestore? I have a DVX100b and logically it seems like i should get a firestore, it saves capture time, money on tape stock, wear on the DVX heads…will i want my decklink HD($1000 card) in the future – should I be making use of the decklink’s SDI connections rather than contemplating using a firestore to begin with?
    The only thing Im doing with the decklink right now is a kind of jimmy-rigged set up where i’m using a consumer Samsung HDMI LCD as a 3rd monitor for FCS2 (which doesnt work too well anyway because it only displays still frames from the canvas in full screen, rather than actin as a full motion cheapy preview monitor but thats beside the point)

    I’m still just finding my way re: filmmaking, so don’t hesitate to give me your advice, or opinions, about anything if I seem ignorant.

    Thanks a ton everyone in advance, and I look forward to hearing from you.
    -Adam, vancouver

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    Steve Oakley replied 17 years, 2 months ago 6 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Walter Biscardi

    May 27, 2009 at 11:25 am

    If you never plan to ever use a tape source, VTR or have the need to master out to tape ever, then get rid of the Decklink.

    Personally, you’re talking about two different things. Your need to capture video in the field, you don’t want to use tape. Your need to provide editing services for which you have to decide if you want to be ready to do what the client needs to get their material into your system, or if you simply don’t have to worry about that.

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  • Steve Eisen

    May 27, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Sell the Decklink and buy a Kona LHi. Sell the DVX and buy the HPX-170. That will eliminate your tape workflow.

    If you really want a Firestore, I’ll sell you mine.

    Steve Eisen
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  • Alan Okey

    May 27, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Hi Adam,

    I have just a general comment, not specifically tech related. What part of filmmaking do you enjoy the most? If you are doing everything right now (shooting, editing, finishing, etc.) then you’re going to find that it’s extremely expensive to do everything really well. On limited funds, it might be a better idea for you to partner with others who have specialized interests in the field rather than trying to do everything yourself.

    Figure out what you love the most, whether it’s editing, shooting, directing, etc. and concentrate on that. Most people who aren’t independently wealthy or who don’t want to owe their first and second born to the bank can’t afford to pay for a great editing system (complete with a proper video preview monitor, good audio monitors and large/fast RAID storage), a great camera, a great sound package, a great lighting package, etc. And even if you can afford the gear, it takes a lot of experience in each aspect of production and post production to achieve master level status.

    You can certainly rent what you need whenever you need it, but it’s hard to be an expert in everything. Pool your talents and resources with others in your field so that you can concentrate on playing to your strengths while you develop your skills in other areas rather than becoming a slave to the process or being overwhelmed (both technically and financially) to technology.

  • Michael Gissing

    May 28, 2009 at 1:23 am

    The most important thing about your Decklink is to use it to monitor your FCP output. If you never use it to ingest, it will still be vital to your professional monitoring. Use the component outs to your Samsung monitor for starters.

  • Adam Coyle roach

    May 28, 2009 at 1:52 am

    Thanks Michael, the damn samsung only accepts DVI or HDMI…so i believe Ive cornered myself on that proper decklink monitor option. *sigh*

    for the rest of you, im still trying to process all your great answers, thanks a bunch. If a firestore were cheaper id get one immeidately, because i cant see any downside to it…can you, anyone?
    -adam

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  • Michael Gissing

    May 28, 2009 at 1:56 am

    There are boxes to convert SDI to HDMI. Don’t forget your Decklink will also be handy for edit to tape if you need to play your sequences out to digi beta or HDCam etc.

  • Steve Oakley

    May 28, 2009 at 4:48 am

    or… sell the decklink and get a MXO2. then you can take it mobile with a laptop to record from the camera when practical, as well as use it when editing. it has color managmenet on the HDMI port specifically to work better with LCD monitors.

    however, your decklink _should_ be playing back. the reason it isn’t is that your video out setting doesn’t match your TL settings. both have to match. yet another thing that desperatly needs to be fixed in FCP – that FCP can tell hardware what setting it should use directly and just do it.

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