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Firestore
Alright, our HVX and all of the P2 cards are out on a shoot, and we’ve managed to get a good deal on an HVX rental that comes with a Firestore. I don’t like it. I wish we would rent P2 cards or even the Cineporter, but it’s out of my hands. We’re stuck with this. It’s typically being used as 2nd camera to a Varicam. Everything needs to be in 24P. Of course, with the Firestore, I’m stuck without the great 24PN. So let me get this straight. In order to be 24P with sound, I have to run each clip individually through the frame rate converter (loses sound), and then take the sound from the original 59.94 and sync that up to the new 23.98 converted? There has to be a better workflow. This is ridiculous. The amount of time spent doing this is going to be retarded.
We’re operating on FCP 5.0.4.
Any suggestions, advice would be much appreciated. There has to be some solution I’m unaware of. Thanks.
-Neil
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14 Replies
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First off- you *must* update to FCP 5.1 to work best with P2 and DVCPROHD. Second- why are you shooting 60p? The Firestore can do 24p.
Noah
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Noah, thanks for the response. Much appreciated.
P2 clips imported in 5.0.4 have trouble with 5.1 so for now, upgrading is not in the cards. We’ve been doing just fine with 5.0.4. We simply have too much going on right now in post to upgrade.
Yes, the Firestore can do 24P in terms of 59.94 with flagged frames. It’s not 24PN like it is with the P2 cards. So when I import the clips, I have to run the media through the frame rate converter to remove the duplicate frames and get my 23.98. Make sense? And, of course, after I’ve run the clip through the converter, I lose audio. I then have to take the audio from the 59.94 and sync it up with my new 23.98. This is my dilemma. A lot of work to get what I need.
-neil
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Noah, to be a bit clearer, I am shooting in 24P, but the Firestore records it as 59.94 with flagged frames, hence I have to use the frame rate converter.
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Can the Firestore remove the extra frames and only record 24pN? If not, then you do not have many options. Unfortunately firewire recording has some limitations, this may be one of them.
Chris Bell
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No, it can’t. It won’t remove the frames and it can’t record 24pN.
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Huh- where do you hear this? I have no trouble at all in 5.1 with P2, in fact it’s specifically updated for *better* handling of P2 over 5.04.
Noah
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I’m not saying you would have trouble with 5.1. There are improvements. However, there have been problems with P2 quicktimes in 5.1 that were imported in 5.0.4. I heard that from Shane Ross on the Cow:
https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=193&postid=860527
I’m not about to reimport all of our P2 footage just so we can be on 5.1. I know this is unfortunate, but I think we’re just going to have to wait for this show’s post production season to end.
So Noah, you don’t happen to have any solution for getting ready to go 24P from the Firestore? Or maybe not ready-to-go, but something easier than running each and every clip individually through the frame rate converter and then resyncing sound?
Regardless, appreciate you trying to help.
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Download the Panasonic frame rate converter and remove the flagged frames that way. All clips must be in root level of the browser and not in their own bin. Start a n new project, convert the clips, then bring those new clips into your main project.
Jeremy
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Appreciate the response, Jeremy. But this is exactly what I’m trying to avoid. The problems I’ve talked about come from this process: losing audio and having to do this process clip by clip individually.
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[Chris Bell] “Can the Firestore remove the extra frames and only record 24pN?”
Not yet. They announced a future firmware release that will do exactly that, but it’s not slated to come out for a couple of months.
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