Final Cut Pro X versus Premiere Pro CS6 by Oliver Peters

[Oliver Peters]

[Craig Seeman] “… which are full price. There’s no separate upgrade price.”

I think I already said that in reference to FCP XI. 😉

– Oliver

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[Chris Harlan]

[Oliver Peters] “[Craig Seeman] “Personally I don’t like the idea of software rental but I certainly see how it’s a very good business model for Adobe.”

Agreed. Me, either.
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Me three.

[Craig Seeman]

Interesting. I wonder what the long term impact will be. I don’t know if we’re typical.

My concern is that renting really requires a “life time” commitment if you want to open projects and files.

Of course Adobe still sells the Creative Suite and it’s component programs. Personally I wonder how long that’s going to last though.

I don’t doubt Adobe found a fair number of users were skipping upgrades.
I also suspect they wanted to get a way from a business model which gave them a big influx at the point of release and then a steady and possibly precipitous revenue decline until the next major upgrade was ready.

With rental they probably have a steady revenue stream which funds R&D for upgrades.
Given the necessity to keep subscribing for continued access to one’s projects, they may be able to anticipate growth outstripping drop off.

[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Craig Seeman] ” I also suspect they wanted to get a way from a business model which gave them a big influx at the point of release and then a steady and possibly precipitous revenue decline until the next major upgrade was ready.

With rental they probably have a steady revenue stream which funds R&D for upgrades.
Given the necessity to keep subscribing for continued access to one’s projects, they may be able to anticipate growth outstripping drop off.

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jesuitically speaking Craig – I wonder at your faith in the apple conglomerate.

we are left in a puddle. The natural constraints that might have protected hardware or software concerns are largely gone.

craft concerns are very exposed at the moment.

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Michael Gissing]

The fundamental flaw with all cloud based subscriber models is that the internet is not becoming a safer place so leaving a computer online all the time is becoming something to worry about. I have one computer online in a network of seven computers. I also have two tablet devices that go online but only one of them can see any other networked computer. So the only two online network devices are Linux based.

I am running CS6 on a PC which offered the best bang for buck and the easiest to maintain, service and upgrade and I don’t want that machine online except for the monthly hello to Adobe and downloading updates. So the subscription model just doesn’t work with my security strategy. Even the MacPro is not online except to upgrade and now that FCP7 is EOL, there is almost no reason to put the Mac online anymore either. With Apple playing with remote disabling of Java, I am wary of both hackers and OS developers doing background ‘updates’.

[Chris Harlan]

[Craig Seeman] “Of course Adobe still sells the Creative Suite and it’s component programs. Personally I wonder how long that’s going to last though.
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Me too. Especially after listening to that fellow in Australia. Of course, technically, we’re only licensing software, not actually buying it, which, on some level the rental/lease is a more accurate representation of what is happening in the fine print. Overall, though, I am not thrilled at the prospect. I don’t know if Cloud being the only way to use Adobe would get me thinking hard about using something else, but it might. I hope Adobe filters in negative reaction from the Big Brother effect, when they calculate how far to take CC.

[Dave Gage]

[Michael Gissing] ” I am wary of both hackers and OS developers doing background ‘updates’.”

I’ve stopped using Google Chrome for exactly that reason. I don’t like forced upgrades, especially when everything is working fine.

Dave

[David Lawrence]

[Chris Harlan] “Me three.”

Me four. Here’s why I’ll never rent software:

https://www.larryjordan.biz/app_bin/wordpress/archives/2015

Larry fully admits to his mistakes but even so, he should not have been exposed to this kind of risk.

What Steve Jobs said about music is doubly true for mission critical applications my business depends on. I want to own them.

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[Craig Seeman]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “jesuitically speaking Craig – I wonder at your faith in the apple conglomerate.”

I don’t have any particular faith in Apple. I find most all the developers have burned people at one time or another. I’m certainly not fond of the Mac App Store.

I can say two things regarding Apple an Post for me. I like the NLE and since purchasing X, Motion, Compressor, I haven’t had to pay for anything other than plugins, most of which have been inexpensive.

If FCPX “blew up” and Apple pulled the plug I’d do as I’ve done before. Find something else to edit with.

The consolation in all this is nowhere does it seem I’d have to pay $60,000 for a turnkey system as I would have 15 years ago.

[Bret Williams]

Doesn’t work that way. You can have the whole suite installed on 20 computers for that matter. But only 2 systems will actively function at once. In your scenario, two of those 4 will always be inactive. With some overlap of course.