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Final Cut Pro vs. Premiere
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[arc nevada] “Walter
FCP on a PC?
I think the best option would be to have OS X run on generic PC hardware.”
Final Cut started out on a PC from Macromedia. OS X will probably never run on a PC except by hack. But FCP would be nice.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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I just wanted to congratulate everyone who has posted for keeping this the most well mannered “which app is better” thread, I’ve ever read….
…..hmmmm…. that rhymed. 🙂
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[Tim Kolb] ”
Well…I have met very few post guys who build their own computers anymore…very few of us have the time.”Maybe on the PC side, but honestly all the guys I know who run their own shops or even larger Post houses are building their own FCP systems. If it’s a first time system I tell them to have a VAR build it, but after that, most of us build our own. I’ve built 6 different systems for our shop and I know how many I’ve consulted on for other shops.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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[walter biscardi] “I’ve built 6 different systems for our shop and I know how many I’ve consulted on for other shops.”
I think he means by taking a generic computer case (or as arc said, a white box) and physically building the computer part by part starting with the motherboard, then the CPUs, then the RAM or whatever. Macs haven’t had the kind of ability for years and years.
Jeremy
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[Winston A. Cely] “I just wanted to congratulate everyone who has posted for keeping this the most well mannered “which app is better” thread, I’ve ever read….
…..hmmmm…. that rhymed. :)”
Just goes to show what a real discussion can be like. We don’t have to agree, we can all have our points of view and not turn into a child’s game.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I think he means by taking a generic computer case (or as arc said, a white box) and physically building the computer part by part starting with the motherboard, then the CPUs, then the RAM or whatever. Macs haven’t had the kind of ability for years and years.”
Yes, exactly. No Mac users “build” their own computer…some might add some I/O boards and peripherals, but you can’t build one from the ground up…Apple does that.
TimK,
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[Tim Kolb] “No Mac users “build” their own computer..”
I DID! It’s called a HACKINTOSH…and the practice isn’t uncommon. This is the kids computer…not used for editing. Although I did install FCP 5.1.4 on it, and it hasn’t crashed yet. But it hasn’t seen heavy use either.
BUT…I digress…
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I DID! It’s called a HACKINTOSH…and the practice isn’t uncommon. This is the kids computer…not used for editing. Although I did install FCP 5.1.4 on it, and it hasn’t crashed yet. But it hasn’t seen heavy use either.
That was funny. I will ask my Mac friends if they have ever used a Hackintosh.
This thread is getting more interesting by the minute.
Has anyone used a TelePaul?
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[Tim Kolb] “PPro just does not have the breadth of native support in all these areas that FCP does. “
Yeah, but is that a bad thing? I usually don’t edit native in FCP anyway. “No one” is going to anymore with ProRes. Apple already has workflows in place to get you out of HDV as fast your computer can transcode it. HDCam you can’t edit native, DVCPro HD I capture to ProResHQ or 10bit, SD I capture to ProResHQ or 10bit. I’d much rather transcode to one codec as a tradeoff for other functionalities.
Also, realtime editing and preview at non native frame sizes would be a plus. The latest project to shoot across the bow will finish @ 800×420, or the one I did late last year which was 6480×1080. It’d be nice if FCP could handle these types of frame sizes without pitching a fit.
If AJA was ready, I’d be taking a hard look. You said the timecode handling in FCP is much more intuitive than premiere. What do you mean by that? TC in FCP has always been a bit flaky, mostly because quicktime never really supported true tc until recently and even then FCP still has some issues.
FCPs multiple frame rate handling is really not that good. Great marketing buzz, though.
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Seeing how everyone is playing so nice, I wanted to chip in one comment, based around what Jerry originally said about FCP’s extensive use in TV and movies. I really feel that this IS a key point. If you commit to a platform, you need to commit to the platform that has the biggest and most talented user base – whatever that may be for you.
Ultimately, any discussion of which NLE is better is moot. We all know editors who can turn out amazing work on any system, and that any edit station is just a tool to channel that talent. Yes, some tools are sharper than others, and may make the process quicker or easier for certain operators, but that only gets you 10 percent there, the people involved give you the other 90 percent.
Similarly, discussions about which platform supports what codecs etc. ignore the fact that there is almost always a way around any post pipeline issues. As someone recently involved in the RED camera post process, it’s so far from perfect it’s like stepping back in time 10 years. They’ll sort a lot of the current issues, but the point is a lot of people just don’t care – they want to use the camera because the pictures look great at an amazing price (oh – it’s good, believe me), and the creatives just want you to make it work – so you do.
What’s the point? If you need to pick a system, look at what your best talent prefers, and use that. With prices of edit stations on all platforms closing on each other, it’s easier to make a choice on the basis of talent, not cost.
Ben
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