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Final Cut Pro vs. Premiere
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[arc nevada] “I think the best option would be to have OS X run on generic PC hardware.”
Hardly. I like Macs because the hardware used in them is specific. FCP is KNOWN to work with this card and that motherboard and that RAM as that is the only kind available. When you have a PC that can be made from all sorts of makes of parts, who knows what issues will arise. Tracking down that issue will be difficult to say the least…is it the motherboard? Graphics card? Pwer supply? RAM? Processor?
When you get an Avid, it is on very specific hardware…any other hardware can cause problems. The foundation of a stable system is compatible hardware.
Shane
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[Shane Ross] “When you have a PC that can be made from all sorts of makes of parts, who knows what issues will arise. Tracking down that issue will be difficult to say the least…is it the motherboard? Graphics card? Pwer supply? RAM? Processor?”
This remains the main drawback of working with PCs…no question about that.
TimK,
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[Paolo Ciccone] “ProRes is not an exclusive of FCP it’s just included in the Studio bundle. In fact Premiere, last time I checked, could access a wider series of formats.”
Well…the latest version of FCP does support multiple framerates and sizes of DVCPHD, XDCHD, HDV, IMX, uncompressed…all on a native set sequence. PPro just does not have the breadth of native support in all these areas that FCP does.
When I work with these formats, I am usually converting to full raster CineForm through an HDSDI capture or a conversion so it’s not an issue for me on the PPro/PC side, but FCP does have a more extensive array of native HD acquisition formats directly supported in settings at this point.
TimK,
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I would check again. Second, Quicktime is not a codec it is a wrapper around a codec. I’m not familiar with Premiere but on their website there list of supported codecs or lack thereof, MXF it is limited to DV and DVCPRO HD. Also you won’t be able to use the ProRes codec unless you already have FCS2, so why bother getting Premier in that case.
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Shane Ross,
Our Mac based Avid Media Composer had more problems then the RT editing system I built myself. I think a lot depends on your fears and knowledge of computers. I have built several computers (70-80) and they all work. I use generic white box parts. I will admit for most people tying to building their own computer might prove to be very frustrating. I can find the problem real quick should one happen to surface but 95% of the time things just work and I love having the options when building my own system.
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>Also you won’t be able to use the ProRes codec unless you already have FCS2, so why bother >getting Premier in that case.
That was a reply to the original poster who pointed support of ProRes as an example of wider support of codecs by FCP. My point is that in reality what FCP does, in this case, is to add a QT plugin to the mix. The application itself doesn’t have support for ProRes, it’s Prores that is installed in QT. Similarly to installing the XDCAM plugin. It’s not that FCP has support for the XDCAM MXF format, there is a plugin, developed by Sony BTW, that wraps the XDCAM files with QuickTime. Similarly, when FCP capture from HDV-based cameras, like the JVCHD100, there is no real support for the .m2t files created by the camera, there is instead a conversion routine that wraps those clips with a QT layer. That these plugins are accessible directly inside FCP it’s a plus but it’s important to make a distinction between direct file support and conversion to a QT clip. Now, I don’t mean this as a criticism for FCP, I used it for years in this setup and it’s fine but there is a distinction between *native* file support and available conversion to QT.
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[arc nevada] “Our Mac based Avid Media Composer had more problems then the RT editing system I built myself.”
And the Mac based Media Composers I worked with (on OS 9 no less) have been by far more stable than ANY Avid Adrenaline system running on a PC that I have worked with. Getting an Avid to work properly is a VERY delicate balance. One conflicting extension and your Avid is a paperweight.
[arc nevada] “I have built several computers (70-80) and they all work. I use generic white box parts.”
Yes…and with that comment you indicate that you are VERY experienced with building computers and know what parts to get. Most people don’t. I wouldn’t. And a lot of manufacturers make cheap PCs with what they can get, thinking they will only be used for the internet, e-mail, perhaps gaming…not the high needs of video editing.
Shane
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[arc nevada] “I will admit for most people tying to building their own computer might prove to be very frustrating. I can find the problem real quick should one happen to surface but 95% of the time things just work”
Well…I have met very few post guys who build their own computers anymore…very few of us have the time.
I for one, have always had my systems built by reputable manufacturers…I run a BOXX workstation right now. I’m running two different XP boots, 4 displays (2-17s, a 24, and a 30) AJA/CineForm/Iridas/CS3 and it works pretty well…but it’s not trouble free. It has it’s issues…I hard locked my 17″ MBP in FCP yesterday too…there aren’t any perfect answers, but I don’t think that most of us are interested in manufacturing a computer no matter what platform we use…
TimK,
Director, Consultant
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Author/Trainer
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Shane,
I think we tend to agree but for the record the Media Composer I used was from early 1998 using the True Vision Targa 2000 and a Pinnacle Geni Board for the RT Effects. There were no Meridian boards back then. The Avid did not crash every day but it did have some down time. We had an Avid RAID subsystem and the Avid PCI slot extender unit. That is why the Avids end up costing so much money.
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Yeah, we tend to agree…I get that. And I will tend to agree that the Avid you mentioned was VERY prone to issues. We had two of those at a place I worked and my boss was always tearing one apart trying to figure out what the heck was wrong.
It became a pretty expensive desk decoration…
Shane
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