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Final Cut, Kona, D5 (AJ HD3700B) output issues.
Here’s my head-scratching issue of the day (its long winded, apologies):
I’ve got three finished shows I’m trying to output to a D5 deck from Final Cut Pro Studio 2 through the Kona 3 card. Shot ,digitized and edited at 720p 59.94. None of my tapes are blacked, we’re renting the deck, so there is no time. So all edits are Assemble Edits.
Deck control is set to 59.94 Panasonic VTR setting, (4 channels , LTC & VITC, 59.94, Kona Serial). The deck, Kona & FCP seem to be talking to each other just fine.
Playback output is set to:
AJA Kona 720p59.94THE SHOWS:
Each show is 7 segments, originally cut in their own sequence, then edited in to a final Master Sequence. That leaves me with three approximately 54 minute master sequences that need to be put to tape.THE (attempted) OUTPUT:
Show #1 Crash record Bars & Tone, then edit entire master sequence in one pass using Edit To Tape. No problems. Went down without a hitch. I even did two insert edits after the fact to make some minor audio fixes.Show #2 Crash record Bars & Tone. Attempt same edit as show #1 all seven segments at once. Audio renders, then Final Cut returns the error code “General Error (88)” before the machine even cues. Edit fails.
-Ok. Now I try to just do segment one from the master sequence. Set in and out point, drag sequence to ETT tool, perform edit. No problems.-MOVE ON TO SEGMENT TWO.
Set in and out points, drag sequence to ETT tool, attempt edit. Get “General Error (88)” Edit fails.
-Scratch head
-Mumble obscenity.
-Create a completely new sequence, with exactly the same settings as master sequence. Copy and paste Segment three from Master sequence to New Sequence. Drag New Sequence to ETT tool, perform edit. No problems. Assume I have a corrupted Master Sequence for Show #2, rejoice at fix.MOVE ON TO SEGMENT THREE
-Again, employ copy Segment Three from Master Sequence, paste into newly created sequence (the same one that Segment Two now lives in).
-Set in and out points, drag New Sequence to ETT tool. Perform edit. No problems. Think “maybe I won’t end up being here ’til 8p on a Friday”-MOVE ON TO SEGMENT FOUR
-Copy Segment Four from Master Sequence, paste into same new sequence as Segments Two and Three.
-Set in and out points, drag New Sequence to ETT tool. Attempt edit.
Get “General Error (88)” Edit fails.
-Smack head
-Bark obscenity.RE-ATTEMPT SEGMENT FOUR
-Create a Fresh, New Sequence
-Copy Segment Four from Master Sequence, paste into Fresh Sequence
–Set in and out points, drag New Sequence to ETT tool. Perform edit. Yay!MOVE ON TO SEGMENT FIVE
-Same drill, copy/paster from Master Sequence into another Fresh sequence, which has been quite and effective work around. Attempt edit, get dreaded General Error (88).
Tried many, many things at this point, including exporting a Quicktime, the reimporting into a new sequence, in a new project. Still didn’t work.After nearly an hour, restarts, settings dumps, P Ram zaps, cycled deck power etc. etc. Ended up setting deck control settings to 29.97. That worked.
Went back to Master Sequence and attempted segments 6 & 7, edit started fine, until the deck stopped. (Final Cut was still outputting the sequence and was fully still in Edit To Tape mode). It seemed like the deck lost control track, even though I was performing an Assemble edit.
Re-racked to the top of the segment. Had to repeat this several times until I finally got the entirety of Show #2 on tape.Show #3.
More of the same shenanigans. Had to continually switch back and forth from 29.97 to 59.94. Finally got it all on tape, but still don’t have any clue what the problem or solution is. And all in all what should have taken about three hours took ten. And although it got done, the problem is neither solved, or pinpointed.If you’re still reading this, (longest post ever) and you have ideas. Post them here. Help out the next poor sap. Which is actually me, since I have to get the same three shows onto a second set of D5’s (we only rented one deck) Then I have a second group of three shows with the same deliverables.
Awesomez
Big tall beer, here I come!
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[Tim Wilsbach] “‘ve got three finished shows I’m trying to output to a D5 deck from Final Cut Pro Studio 2 through the Kona 3 card. Shot ,digitized and edited at 720p 59.94. None of my tapes are blacked, we’re renting the deck, so there is no time.”
tim
I have never able to use stock presets for recording to D5 like you can with HDCam SR, I have had to create custom setups for that deck specifically and I know that is the case when the 2K processor is attached.
you left out a huge chunk of OS,Driver,QT and specific build info on your software and hardware config that may lead to a solution.
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
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Here are more of my system specs:
Mac OS X 10.5.5
FCP 6.0.4
QT 7.5.5
AJA Kona 3 (Control panel software says version 6.0)What driver info would be helpful?
Not sure where to look for those specifics.The thing that I’m most perplexed about is that Show 1 output without issue. And I’m typing this as I’m laying the second pass of Show 1 to D5, again without issues. I expect to hit the wall again at Show 2. But I’ve checked and doubled checked and re-checked the settings from Sequence to Sequence. They are the same.
-Tim
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UPDATE:
The second and protection copy of Show 1 again went down without problems.
The second and protection copy of show 2 failed at the same spot as the first time.I created a new sequence and rather than copying and pasting each segment into the new timeline, I re-edited each segment in from the viewer. Now its working.
Like I said. Head-scratcher. Leave logic at the door.
Hope this helps someone else someday.
Tim Wilsbach
Freelance Editor
Avid-FCP
Freelance Shooter
JVC gy-hd100u camera packagetwilsbach [at] ameritech [dot] com
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[Tim Wilsbach] ”
The second and protection copy of Show 1 again went down without problems.
The second and protection copy of show 2 failed at the same spot as the first time. “then it is something in the way the masters were setup – since copying to a new timeline seems to fix the issue I am going to call it editor error….
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production WorkflowsInside look at the IoHD
https://library.creativecow.net/articles/adcock_gary/AJAIOHD.php -
Thanks for the opinion Gary,
Allow me to clarify.The original show 2 Master Sequence plays without incident. It outputs to DigiBeta without incident, and we’ll soon see if it outputs to DVCPro without incident (I’m guessing it will).
The exact same Show 2 Master Sequence, which had the EXACT workflow (copying and pasting segments) as Show 1 going to the D5 machine doesn’t work.
The fix/work around was to create a new Show 2 and re-edit the segments into a new sequence. That shouldn’t make a bit of difference.
You can call it editor error, but thats not going help anyone else that has this issue.
Tim Wilsbach
Freelance Editor
Avid-FCP
Freelance Shooter
JVC gy-hd100u camera packagetwilsbach [at] ameritech [dot] com
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[Tim Wilsbach] “The exact same Show 2 Master Sequence, which had the EXACT workflow (copying and pasting segments) as Show 1 going to the D5 machine doesn’t work”
OK couple of dumb questions.
New sequence = new name? if not it- render issues would cause problems.
No mention of reuse of graphics-I find that when i create new projects within a master I need to purge all render files so that there are not issues – constant frames and render files use the naming structure on a recurring basis so by not changing the fundamental elements – causing render errors, and why I called it operator error.
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production WorkflowsInside look at the IoHD
https://library.creativecow.net/articles/adcock_gary/AJAIOHD.php -
Yep. All new sequences also had new names.
Good tip about the render files though, I did trash all render files and after re-rendering got the same result.
When I left tonight I had three shows go down without incident from the original Master Sequences I created for them. The final fix was trashing all the .plist files and creating a new User setting in the OS.
Why that only affected the D5 output, I’ll never know.
Tim Wilsbach
Freelance Editor
Avid-FCP
Freelance Shooter
JVC gy-hd100u camera packagetwilsbach [at] ameritech [dot] com
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