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  • Final Cut 5.0 with Tiger definitely slower

    Posted by John Schmidt on August 2, 2005 at 5:41 pm

    Could someone help me figure out what is slowing me down. We have two matching editing systems with the same software and hardware (Dual 2 GHz G5s with 4GB RAM). We were running Final Cut 4.5 on OS 10.3.9 with Quicktime 6.5.2. Render times on the systems were equal before the upgrade. My machines was upgraded to Tiger with Final Cut 5 and Quicktime 7 while the other was left the same. My machine seemed to be rendering slower afterward, so we ran a check. We used the exact same file to test on with the same sequence settings. We changed the opacitity of the clip to 90% and rendered. Once his computer had finished the render mine was only 70% rendered! That means that a 20 minute render would take 30 minutes with the latest and greatest software.

    Any suggestions? Is it Quicktime, Final Cut, or Tiger that is messing me up?

    John Schmidt replied 20 years, 9 months ago 6 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Jeremy Garchow

    August 2, 2005 at 5:56 pm

    There’s new render settings that are burined within FCP. open your sequence settings (cmd-0) and hit the video processing tab. You’ll notice under the motion filetering quality header, there’s a drop down menu with three choices. Normal is the default, you also have fastest (linear) and best. Fastest is what FCP 4.5 used (and couldn’t be changed). Change the setting to fastest (linear) and do the same test and see if it speeds up.

    Report back because I’d like to know the answer as well.

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    G5 Dual 2Ghz <> 4GB RAM <> FCP 4.5 <> Kona 2

    ATTO 42XS <> Huge Systems 1.25 TB 4105 Fibre

  • Walter Biscardi

    August 2, 2005 at 5:59 pm

    I actually found a mixed bag here when I upgraded my Dual 2.0 G5 to Tiger / FCP 5. Everything is snappier as far as operation while some renders are faster, some are slower. If you’re using the newest high quality render settings for the Motion Effects tab, then yes the renders will be slower because it’s a higher quality render than FCP 4.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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  • John Schmidt

    August 2, 2005 at 6:09 pm

    I did check the difference between “fastest” and “normal” and it is the exact same render time. We actually timed the test this time and my system took 1:21 to render while the old system with panther and FCP 4.5 took 1:03 to render. Exact same computer using exact same settings and exact same software installed. (Just so you know, the clip was 8 bit uncompressed as was the sequence settings)

  • Jeremy Garchow

    August 2, 2005 at 6:20 pm

    “Progress is a nice word. But change is its motivator. And change has its enemies.”
    –Robert F. Kennedy

    Looks like you found the enemy.

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    G5 Dual 2Ghz <> 4GB RAM <> FCP 4.5 <> Kona 2

    ATTO 42XS <> Huge Systems 1.25 TB 4105 Fibre

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    August 2, 2005 at 7:37 pm

    I’ve found it to be faster overall. There is no longer that molasses in the timeline when working on long-form projects, or projects with many cuts.

    In FCP 4.5 I use to break up my edits into 10 minute blocks because the slowdown was unbearable. With FCP 5.0 I cut the full program within the timeline, no slowdowns.

  • Bret Williams

    August 2, 2005 at 8:51 pm

    Do you have the exact same amount of physical and virtual ram on both machines? If you’re running out of physical drive space, or you have less physical ram, then there would be a lot of file swapping onto the hard drive. Make sure you’re running the same apps as well of course.

    Ever play with the computers at the Apple store? They are the slowest, boggiest things I’ve ever used. Apple is really doing themselves a disservice at the stores. For example, they have their imac G5s so loaded with stuff (and a hidden backup) that there is only 128mb of space left on the drive. Now these machines are only running about 512 meg of ram as well, so the minute you launch any app but a word doc, you’ve got to use the hard drive as ram, except there’s no space on the hard drive! Open 2 apps and you’ve pretty much shut these things down. They should at least stock their store units with huge drives and maxed ram.

  • Filip Vandoorne

    August 3, 2005 at 9:40 am

    same disks? full disks can be 30 procent slower dan empty disks, also newer models are faster.

  • John Schmidt

    August 4, 2005 at 8:32 pm

    So actually it had somthing to do with the Xraid server we were on not being upgraded to Tiger yet. Even though I wasn’t using files on this server, it was being bogged down by trying to connect to it. Render times are faster than they were in Final Cut 4.5 after upgraded the server. Sorry to doubt you Apple.

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