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  • Film Fest Wants ProRes

    Posted by William Carr on November 2, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    A project needs to be shipped to a Film Fest in Europe for screening. Producer told them the original edit master exists in DVCPROHD 720 23.98, which it does.

    Fest will be projecting from a computer and requires to be sent:
    “Quicktime ProRes in HD 1280×720 23.98p. A high-capacity SDHC card would be perfect.”

    I have much DVCPROHD experience but no ProRes.
    Reading through posts, there seem to be 4 ways for conversion:

    –timeline to Compressor to ProRes
    –timeline export same settings QT self-contained, Compressor to ProRes
    –timeline export reference QT, Compressor to ProRes
    –copy DVCPROHD timeline elements to fresh ProRes timeline, export same settings self-contained

    After whichever method, drag and drop to SDHC card.

    Is there any honest-to-goodness quality difference between the above conversion methods?
    The little 1280-wide show will be projected to a size many meters across, so I want to make my best effort!

    Jeremy Garchow replied 16 years, 6 months ago 4 Members · 12 Replies
  • 12 Replies
  • Jeremy Garchow

    November 2, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Was it shot on p2 or tape?

  • Arnie Schlissel

    November 2, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    The best way is to use Compressor. You can use the Frames and Geometry tabs to conform your frame rate and size to the festival specs.

    I usually send directly from my FCP timeline, unless there’s a problem or I need to keep working. Many people prefer to export a reference movie and bring that into Compressor.

    Arnie
    Post production is not an afterthought!
    https://www.arniepix.com/

  • Rafael Amador

    November 2, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Hi william,
    This is more than a simple transcoding.
    Is a full upscaling. You are going from 960×720 to 1280×720.
    Whatever the way you send it to Compressor will be OK, but in Compressor:
    – Set the proper size.
    – Set the Frame Control: ON.
    – Resizing: Best.
    The Frame Control will allow as well to process in 32b Floating Point.

    [William Carr] “–copy DVCPROHD timeline elements to fresh ProRes timeline, export same settings self-contained “
    This may be the worst option.
    [William Carr] “Is there any honest-to-goodness quality difference between the above conversion methods? “
    Yes. Compressor with Frame Control ON may be the best available in FCS.
    Rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • William Carr

    November 2, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Thank you everybody!

    Jeremy: it was shot on P2, L&T into FC from hard drive backups. What difference does it make, so I can learn to suggest better workflows next time?

    Arnie: usually I export same settings movie, them Compressor. I will use the Compressor tabs as suggested.

    Rafael: that’s right, I realize it is upscaling! Next time I will tell them to shot 1080. I will use the tabs in Compressor to ensure best results.

  • Rafael Amador

    November 2, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    [William Carr] ” I realize it is upscaling! Next time I will tell them to shot 1080″
    Sure is not the same than when going from 720 to 1080, but in the end you have to rebuild every single pixel.
    For a film festival I would go the Compressor way. For something less compromising I could go the FC way suggested by Arnie, with “High Precision” and “BEST Motion Rendering”.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • William Carr

    November 2, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Understood.

    I will export the native timeline as a self-contained same-settings movie, then bring it to Compressor and spec it to shape.

    One last thought: I am assuming the ProRes choice should be the “original” 422.
    With HQ I don’t think I would see a quality difference, plus would not the higher bitrate make it more of a challenge for their unknown Mac/projection set-up to play happily?

  • Rafael Amador

    November 2, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    I would go to HQ.
    If they have requested Prores I guess they have the gear to move it.
    Prores 720p24 is quite light even at HQ.

    [William Carr] “One last thought: I am assuming the ProRes choice should be the “original” 422. “ No reasons to go to 444.
    I guess you would get the same effect checking the “444 Filtering” in the Prores window. You would also keep the file smaller than 444.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Jeremy Garchow

    November 2, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    [William Carr] “eremy: it was shot on P2, L&T into FC from hard drive backups. What difference does it make, so I can learn to suggest better workflows next time? “

    What you’re doing is fine, using Compressor to amke a ProRes movie is cool by me. I was just wondering if it was from tape as you could online it by capturing to ProRes back from tape. Since it’s tapeless, no biggie.

    Jeremy

  • Jeremy Garchow

    November 2, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    [William Carr] “One last thought: I am assuming the ProRes choice should be the “original” 422. “

    I’d go to SQ. Gary Adcock’s article explains that doing software transcodes from 8 bit sources (such as DVCPro HD) to HQ can cause some errors due to the way the HQ codec ‘fills in’ the extra two bits.

    The SQ codec does it a bit better when doing software transcodes from 8 bit material, according to Gary.

    Jeremy

  • William Carr

    November 2, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Thanks, all!

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