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Film Editors Please Chime In
We are doing a 23.98 online for a short film. The 23.98 HDCAM orginals are from a film transfer. At that transfer session they also made a simo dub to DV with 29.97 timecode window. Shouldn’t the timecode window match the 23.98 orginals?
Now we have to conform to an offline with no reference to the origninal 23.98 timecode. Even worse, our client is upset because we wasted a day trying to capture the HDCAM footage at 29.97. The transfer house claims it is their standard practice to a simo dub to DV with the 29.97 timecode window. Anyone ever see this before?
Thanks,
AG
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At that transfer session they also made a simo dub to DV with 29.97 timecode window. Shouldn’t the timecode window match the 23.98 orginals?
– It depends on what was asked for by the client who setup the transfer.
Now we have to conform to an offline with no reference to the origninal 23.98 timecode.
– Ummm… Didn’t you say that there was a timecode burn-in? What do mean no reference to the 23.98 timecode? At the most it’s only 6 frames off. It’s math, if you don’t know. The magic number is “.8” Did you not get an EDL? or a tape? or a quicktime?
Even worse, our client is upset because we wasted a day trying to capture the HDCAM footage at 29.97.
– I would be upset as well. Why would you even try this?
The transfer house claims it is their standard practice to a simo dub to DV with the 29.97 timecode window. Anyone ever see this before?
– Yes. It happens every day.
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I’m doing this now. HD tapes were laid off to a hard drive as DVCAM .MOV files for me but I have two timecode burns one is 29.97, the other reflects the 23.98. If you log everyhing in CinemaTools first, CinemaTools will add the correct pull down to the 29.97. Use the export EDL to CinemaTools to generate the correct Negative cut list that should match your 23.98 timecode.
HTH,
Warren
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Warren Eig
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Dude, do this: export your 29.97 fps EDL from the offline. Go into Cinema Tools and convert the 29.97 EDL to a 23.98 EDL. Batch capture the new EDL in HD. At worst you’ll have edits that are 1 frame off – just slip them by hand. We’ve done this several time cutting comercials at 29.97 and having the effects house conforming at 1080/24.
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It is the responsibility of the client to request a dual window burn with 23.98 and the 29.97 cross converted matching timecode on the window dub. Or else the dub house will revert to their own internal policy with no info supplied to them.
In anycase the 29.97 tc should reflect the cross converted 23.98 timecode you need to verify the timecode was indeed taken from the original hdcam masters.
Never take anything for granted if you expect it to work for you.
Tony Salgado
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