feature request: Hue and Sat curves

[Sascha Haber]

Yeah, I am asked to actually come over to an edit house and work on their Red Giant Looks setup.
I spent two hours there fixing horrible butcher like settings and all they said was : Well, now we know what to do and please can you save your presets.

I think I should have become a carpenter or something 😉

[Arthur Puig]

I’d rather do that modifying the RGB channels individually (lift RGB, Gamma RGB, and Gain RGB)
As a balancing tool the secondary color curve I found it awful, it was useful in Final Touch 2.5, when you could alter those curves inside a vinette, then after 2.7 don’t know what happened and no matter what it affects the whole shot.
As an overall I’d rather use it say if the reds are too electric, then I can desat them.
But if you ever played with tools like Scratch or Pablo vectors are the way to go for secondary quick and clean color isolation.
And Resolve will have those available in next version for people without the DaVInci panels, as presets in the menu, along with whites and black isolation presets.

[Kim Krause]

actually you can easily modify color inside a vignette…just use the color efx room. insert a secondary node into the vignette and voila! glad you find the davinci a work in progress….thats all i’m saying for now.

[Kim Krause]

i forgot to mention that you can indeed alter the secondary color correction inside a vignette in the secondaries…..when you select a color it looks like the whole color is being affected in the preview window but in actual fact its just the area inside or outside of the mask and you can use “user shapes” which i find quite useful!

[Arthur Puig]

If you like Color so much, why don’t you got and post in the Color forum then.

It seems to me you’re trying to convince yourself that Color is a great software, but the reality of it, is that it sucks.

Before Resolve came in the market for Mac, yes, it was a viable solution since there was nothing in the mid color market, but know the game has changed. I think in my opinion Resolve is way too cheap now, it should have been marketed between $3K and $5K

[Jake Blackstone]

I wouldn’t worry about the “preset jockeys”. Presets never work and anybody, that uses them deserves those results.

[Kim Krause]

actually i’m trying to convince myself that resolve is worthwhile….i started out this entry stating that i was looking for well informed unbiased opinion on the resolve with the intention of maybe even switching from color if i could find reason to do so…instead i mostly got arrogant responses from people who only wanted to trash color….when i put up valid comparisons, i got no response as if i was hitting on some truths, especially in regards to rendering (check out my post called when is rendering not rendering)…i have yet to find a real reason to switch to a system that basically does only 90% of the type of work i do….for eg:
on a mac, you still have to render or playout if you ‘re gonna give the material to your client for online. also the roundtripping between color and fcp is very smooth for most of my needs and makes it very easy to grab a drive from a client, open the project, grade it and hand it back, ready for online. also i object to people who won a full blown davinci resolve and compare that to color on a mac. if you compare resolve on a mac with no panels to color on a mac with no panels the davinci doesnt look like such a bargain. again i’ll state that as soon as someone can convince me that for my money in my market in the country where i work that the resolve will bring me more work or somehow speed up my workflow then i’ll stick with color. your arrogance is just one more reason that keeps me away from davinci…if the product is so good it should sell itself based on its capabilities. both systems have their good and bad points and i’m always the first one to bitch about color when it doesnt do what i would like, but you can be sure until resolve gets the bugs out and offers a better way to do things, i’ll keep my color! now shoot me down, go ahead! give me 10 good reasons why davinci on a mac is better than color! your turn, i can take it! maybe you’ll just convince me to switch!

[Kim Krause]

actually i’m trying to convince myself that resolve is worthwhile….i started out this entry stating that i was looking for well informed unbiased opinion on the resolve with the intention of maybe even switching from color if i could find reason to do so…instead i mostly got arrogant responses from people who only wanted to trash color….when i put up valid comparisons, i got no response as if i was hitting on some truths, especially in regards to rendering (check out my post called when is rendering not rendering)…i have yet to find a real reason to switch to a system that basically does only 90% of the type of work i do….for eg:
on a mac, you still have to render or playout if you ‘re gonna give the material to your client for online. also the roundtripping between color and fcp is very smooth for most of my needs and makes it very easy to grab a drive from a client, open the project, grade it and hand it back, ready for online. also i object to people who won a full blown davinci resolve and compare that to color on a mac. if you compare resolve on a mac with no panels to color on a mac with no panels the davinci doesnt look like such a bargain. again i’ll state that as soon as someone can convince me that for my money in my market in the country where i work that the resolve will bring me more work or somehow speed up my workflow then i’ll stick with color. your arrogance is just one more reason that keeps me away from davinci…if the product is so good it should sell itself based on its capabilities. both systems have their good and bad points and i’m always the first one to bitch about color when it doesnt do what i would like, but you can be sure until resolve gets the bugs out and offers a better way to do things, i’ll keep my color! now shoot me down, go ahead! give me 10 good reasons why davinci on a mac is better than color! your turn, i can take it! maybe you’ll just convince me to switch!

[Illya Laney]

Just curious, what kind of footage are you getting realtime playback on? Standard def? I haven’t touched standard def footage in almost 3 years though, so I wouldn’t know for sure.

I get realtime playback on some HD footage before a correction but that’s almost always using the proxy playback settings.

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[Arthur Puig]

It’s funny, I thought you were the arrogant one! : )

I’m going to be honest, I’d rather you stay with Color than DaVInci, less competition for us.
Having say that, I don’t know if I have 10 reasons, but this place I work they own Apple Color for low budget projects, and they’re not buying DaVinci (they’re very cheap, and they think they are all the same)
But I have a DaVinci myslef, so I took one reel in 2K DPX to try it out, I was able to finish the grading three times faster than in Color (I’m using the Waves panel), not only that, I was able to play full 2K (2048 X 1556) DPX, with 3 power windows in real time, and sound. I cannot do that even on some six figure systems, and I didn’t try more power windows, but I think I could have RT performance with even more.

In Color in 2K plays maybe at 15 fps with no sound.

Now sound makes a huge difference in a color corrected session with a client, because they take sound and picture as a whole, whereas if it’s just picture, they get confused about what they want, that’s my experience.

Then I rendered them out, as 2K DPXs, and as ProRes HQ, it took 10 minutes for DPX (reel was 10 minute long), and 8 minutes for ProRes, Color took 45 minutes to render.

But again, if you render overnight maybe it’s not important how long it takes as long as it is done in the morning, but when I compared what I color timed with the DaVinci against what I did in Color, DaVinci looks so much better, skin tones look phenomenal, it looked like a real movie, there’s a depth in Color that exceeds any other platform I’ve seen so far, and I’ve seen many.

And I realized something I never paid attention to, I think the common knowledge in color correction is that all color programs do the same, you throw red, green, they all can do it, but, for example, guitars can play all the same chords, however, a Gibson Les Paul will sound different than Fender Stratocaster, so is the same with Color software, how it interprets and add the color is an art into the software itself, and I feel for the first time, that this tool can help transform into reality what I want the picture to look like, I was never 100 % satisfied, and now I’m a DaVinci converted advocate.