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  • Lance Bachelder

    October 28, 2014 at 4:28 am

    Yeah having used both extensively for quite a while I prefer FCPX to CC in almost every way. But if you’re a heavy Photoshop and AE user then you already have Premiere so you’re probably good to go.

    It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.

    Lance Bachelder
    Writer, Editor, Director
    Downtown Long Beach, California
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

  • Martin Dugard

    October 28, 2014 at 8:54 am

    I was told in FCP7 days that basically the whole movie industry was on FCP& (damn me, I was a pC user at that time – sorry) did things change with FCPX? Now that FCPX is more robust is FCP still the heavy weight or did it loose a lot of share to PP? I suppose there is no hard data but what is your feel on that?

  • Robin S. kurz

    October 28, 2014 at 9:42 am

    [martin dugard] “many moved to PPro (or Avid).”

    To this day I am waiting for that to be substantiated in any way. Based on nothing but hearsay and anecdotal “evidence” at best imho. There is no factual data that I am familiar with that could back that up. I’m sure some moved here, others there (as they always have btw, depending on their needs) others not at all.

    I don’t understand the question or its practical relevance either. In the end, the only person that can in fact tell you if FCP X (or any other NLE) is for you, is… you. There is a 30 day, fully functional trial of every major NLE. Learning the basics and seeing which “clicks” with you only costs you some time. No judgement is better than actual objective judgement. If I were to tell you that FCP or PPro or Avid or Vegas or iMovie was the best NLE on the planet, bar none… how could you possibly know that that is true (for you) either way otherwise?

    [martin dugard] “Is the production world still mainly FCP?”

    No idea how anyone is going to verify that for you either way. The only question is which NLE is in any way relevant to you in the context of your market and clients. Therefore you’re asking all the wrong questions imho. Any and all NLEs have their strengths and weaknesses. The question isn’t which those are, but which are in any way relevant to you and your work. And I’m guessing no one here knows that other than you.

    [martin dugard] “are there any reasons why I should go PPro rather than FCP?”

    You tell us. The relevant variables for answering that question one way or the other are massive. I personally favor making decisions based on personal needs and actual experience. I prefer not to have others dictate it to me or rely on (rarely unbiased) personal opinion, other than maybe in the context of my own.

    – RK

    ____________________________________________________
    Deutsch? Hier gibt es ein umfassendes FCP X Training für dich!

  • Eric Santiago

    October 28, 2014 at 12:23 pm

    I might be hanging myself with this post but I’ll add my looney anyway.
    I teach basic FCPX and Premiere Pro at local college.
    It always baffles me when not even a day in, the students are already cutting in FCPX at a decent pace.
    The program is so friendly and doesnt require the “walking on glass” approach like PPro does.
    Maybe its my (in)ability to teach but Im sure other instructors can chime in.
    Now of course, this could be way off topic.

  • Steve Connor

    October 28, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Yep, she’s culturally a bit different. Not so safe or standard. And you will have to adapt. But she comes out of an amazing family that’s very, very accomplished, but one that takes risks and always seems to be figuring stuff ahead of the pack.

    So what do you want? Safer choice? There’s one of those available. More risk with more potential reward? There’s a path toward that too.

    Take your pick.

    ; )

    Or just date both

  • Oliver Peters

    October 28, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    [martin dugard] “I was told in FCP7 days that basically the whole movie industry was on FCP”

    You were lied to.

    The “Hollywood” movie business was and continues to be largely an Avid stronghold. The documentary and lower budget indie world has been a mix – with a lot of FCP 1-7 all over the place. Internationally more of a mix, however most feature film editors in the UK and Europe (that are working at the upper end studio level) are also on Avid.

    This is a niche, of course, so it doesn’t correctly reflect the total numbers.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Robin S. kurz

    October 28, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “This is a niche, of course, so it doesn’t correctly reflect the total numbers.”

    Which plays into my previous point. How are obscure, general numbers relevant? We have no clue what level of experience he has (if any), let alone in which area of production. There is and never will be one best solution. Ever. Freelance? Employed? Those and a bazillion other factors play into the (imho futile) “which is best” question, which, again, no one can answer for anyone else.

    – RK

    ____________________________________________________
    Deutsch? Hier gibt es ein umfassendes FCP X Training für dich!

  • Scott Witthaus

    October 28, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    [Eric Santiago] “It always baffles me when not even a day in, the students are already cutting in FCPX at a decent pace.”

    I see the exact same thing (we switched from FCP7 to X). In fact, I brought another professor down to watch the students work, and he was as amazed as I was to see how natural X is to them. Way way better than Legacy, as far as rate of learning is concerned.

    Most of my students who were on Premiere coming in have now switched over to X. After Effects and Photoshop still rule, of course, but X is working far better than I could have ever expected. MHO, of course.

    Scott Witthaus
    Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
    1708 Inc./Editorial
    Professor, VCU Brandcenter

  • Andrew Kimery

    October 28, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    [Steve Connor] “Or just date both”

    Date both? I didn’t take you for a godless heathen, polygamist, Steve. 😉

    If people start dating both then what are the “one daters” supposed to do with all the straw man arguments, false dichotomies and confirmation bias they’ve stockpiled over the years? Won’t somebody think of the children!

  • Bill Davis

    October 28, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Dennis,

    Yes

    And very much Yes.

    This is a discussion forum. To the best of my knowledge, the two idioms (well, 3 including your Yiddish!) have always been, not just allowable in forums, but kinda expected.

    That’s the point of it being an open forum.

    (I do kinda wish I’d had time to insert an really good automobile analogy or perhaps a haiku – but was a bit pressed for time.)

    I’ve had to shrug off lots of criticism in forums over the years (much well deserved.) I suspect a corporate personage at Adobes level can easily do the same.

    Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.

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