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  • Aindreas Gallagher

    August 3, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    I dunno – I just put my reply above into the search box and it returned 137 results of nearly identical rants I’ve had over the last two years. bit worrying really.

    https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

  • Tony West

    August 3, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Really, the biggest part is that I just can’t afford to put so much time into this that I’m hurting my business by prepping large lessons every month.”

    Yep.

    I can see how it could be really time consuming. Challenges of finding presenters and trying to hook up with their schedules would be a challenge in itself.

    All in all it was something decent to build on and I will look forward to seeing it develop.

  • Daniel Frome

    August 3, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “Premiere comes second, and X is for sole operators who dig it and the curious with spare time.
    After ten years of steady broadening and democratising of the skills base under FCP, this is not the ideal result for anyone. Except of course for the – arse plugged in the chair for the last twenty years – Avid editors, who we had completely on the rack, they are laughing like braying donkeys and marvelling at the fact that they just got tabs and audio keyframes or something. the fatuous morons.”

    Ha ha, oh Aindreas, I know you must be a good editor because you are a fabulous writer. I really do hope that competition keeps all three of these NLE makers in check.

  • Richard Herd

    August 3, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Since he’s not here, allow me.”

    Thanks!

  • John Davidson

    August 3, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “I dunno – I just put my reply above into the search box and it returned 137 results of nearly identical rants I’ve had over the last two years. bit worrying really.”

    Plagiarizing yourself? Congratulations! That means you could work for the New York Times!

    John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.

  • Dave Gage

    August 3, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    [Bill Davis] “”We cover the scene in wide shot, medium shot, close up character 1, close up character 2, over the shoulder 1 and over the shoulder 2.”

    I figured it was something like that. Every industry has their set of acronyms and abbreviations, I’ve never been a been fan of them in general (and of course with mobile devices, there’s more and more of them). I started off before music as a photographer, so there’s a lot about lighting and cameras that I already knew, but some of the pure film/movie terms I still can get tripped up on. When I first started with FCP 4.5, I had no idea what a “bin” was.

    Thanks,
    Dave

  • Richard Herd

    August 3, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “really?”

    Really.

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “aren’t these people maybe going to hit an issue when they approach narrative, doco corpo and the rest of the stuff? “

    No. X handles those just fine.

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “How long are they supposed to hit the market like FCPX lemmings/salmon?”

    Editors “in the market” are good (or bad) because they can (or cannot) tell a story in moving pictures. Once the movie is exported, no one cares about the software. True, there are some folks claiming editing software is akin to a Hollywood fashion industry. But if the reels from my students are good, then they will get into programs and internships. It’s at that point, where I’m certain the industry will shift, five to ten years (depending on depreciation schedule). Imagine you’ve been cutting dialogue scenes in X (like I teach) and then a boss says, “Okay, now use Avid.” I’m sure my students will work hard to get it finished; then, they will sneak the footage home and cut it on their $1200 iMac.

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “they made a complete mess of editing for untold numbers of people.”

    As a set theory problem, you have it backwards; that is, the set of people for whom Apple made editing a complete mess is less than the set of people for whom editing is now a complete not-mess. The former number, and the context of “the old editors,” is a fixed sum that decreases with every one who passes on to the next life or changes to X. The latter number is infinite (n+1), assuming X remains static.

    There’s a few other interesting observations for educators:

    1. We use the iMac’s built-in mic for recording voice over in the timeline (in the first level course); in the second level course we use an audio I/O and a microphone — but the quality is very similar after CMD-8.

    2. My editing lab has 2 iMacs and 5 Win7pro64 running Premiere. The RAM from the Windows was stolen. iMacs are closed up tight.

    3. I really don’t know how I’m going to afford Premiere.

    4. Although AVID is a great price for educators ($300), and I’m waiting for grant money to buy it, I cannot imagine forcing my students to use it. It’s comparatively clunky and while I haven’t used Avid since 2003, from the point of view of a 14 – 18 year old high school student who has cut maybe 2 things total, I can already hear their pleas: “Mr. Herd, please can I just do this in X?”

    What will I say? “No. You need to learn this software so you can be employable.” Which is actually an argument I disagree with, that schools are there for training workers to get jobs, so I’m finding it difficult to teach obsolescence. And by obsolescence I mean what took 2 weeks takes 1 day. I’m sure the snooty editors trumpeting “but I work in the 2% and there are no jobs in X” will no doubt comfort themselves by thinking “but that’s high school and I’m a pro.” Yep. 2 weeks turned to 1 day, for kids who knew nothing, not even where Apple hides the on-button. I would not install X in a bona fide big studio environment till 10.1 and mac pro arrives, but that’s a different issue than efficiency of turning 2 weeks into 1 day. Avoiding X has to do with “Mr. Herd, why is the screen green?”

    “I don’t know. Let’s reboot and see if that fixes it.”

    -Rich

  • Richard Herd

    August 3, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    I understood what you meant by learning curve. For me, there was a learning curve because Apple changed the name of the lingo and I had to read the manual. Now that I’m past that I teach editing using that jargon.

    [tony west] “‘m not sure, but I would think that with a bunch of young folks already trained on a software that they have been on since HS, it would be hard to ignore a large pool of young people that could get up and running in your shop.”

    Yeah, I vigorously agree!

  • Richard Herd

    August 3, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    FYI…

    I show my class John’s video on editing, which is great. I have it saved at school not at home (summer break), but it’s the one where he edits a sizzle reel. Super cool overview of editing. Incidentally, someone should make a “Hell Kitchen” type of show for Editors based on John’s film language in that video.

  • John Davidson

    August 3, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    (Blush). Aw shucks. Thanks again. I’ve thought about using my nephews wedding vid as an example of multicam and syncing. Like Bill says, time is our enemy. We just upgraded our office (moving day today) so I have no idea when I can make more. Content legalities are the biggest issue.

    John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.

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