FCPX Speed and workflow increases ? Real World examples?

[Nikolas Bäurle]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “Timeline functioning order is not supposed to require meticulous preparation.”

But in my experience I’m faster finishing sound on X than Legacy, and I’m a very fast Legacy User. Tracks don’t make organization better unless the editor is orderly. I’ve dealt with very sloppy Avid and FCP Timelines on occasion. In Track based NLEs you spend time making sure your sounds are in the right place as much as in X. For example, in Legacy you decide before you cut the sound in where its supposed to go. During editing if you start using many effects overlapping each other , for example, you end up with more tracks than the required 1 track for effects and atmo the Networks need, so you end up remapping all your effects tracks for them to export correctly.

in X you put the clips in the timeline, open the inspector, turn off the sound you don’t need, by default everything imported has the video, dialogue role tag. FX imported through iTunes is automatically tagged as effects, So if I need to use more tracks for overlapping FX, atmos or dialogue you don’t need to remap anything, simply make sure the footage is tagged correctly.

Now, adding transitions takes one or two steps more in X than Legacy, not a big deal. In the secondary you turn the clips into a storyline and your good to go. It’s just a matter of getting used to it.

Personally I prefer the primary/secondary deal. In my opinion it forces you to keep your stuff organized and compounding is a very handy tool. Tracks don’t make it easier, and there’s plenty of sloppy timelines, especially when dealing editors putting FX and footage all over the place on 15 tracks, where 2 would have been enough.

“Always look on the bright side of life” – Monty Python

[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Charlie Austin] “as they, we, ever so slowly decline into irrelevance. Remember the Music industry? “

but charlie – TV, broadcast, media whatever – its expanding, look at netflix for god’s sake, or where youtube and amazon are going – and in its case torrenting is shown to be a multiplier

you’re making a pretty weird argument and I don’t think it accurately represents where things are going?

but leaving that aside, I wouldn’t care if X was looking like a winner – I’d knuckle under and start wading in properly, but its not.

I’d be really really happy if premiere won, but shantanyu narayen just shafted its chances of broad adoption.

So its going to be a lot of avid. Avid is now officially unavoidable. The one package, coming from FCP – that you now know you absolutely have to learn, is avid.

Premiere comes second, and X is for sole operators who dig it and the curious with spare time.
After ten years of steady broadening and democratising of the skills base under FCP, this is not the ideal result for anyone. Except of course for the – arse plugged in the chair for the last twenty years – Avid editors, who we had completely on the rack, they are laughing like braying donkeys and marvelling at the fact that they just got tabs and audio keyframes or something. the fatuous morons.

we nearly had them charlie. they were on the run. Now its middle aged Avid dicks crowing about their clapped out software as far as the eye can see.

thanks universe, thanks for nothing.

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[Herb Sevush]

[Aindreas Gallagher] ” Now its middle aged Avid dicks crowing about their clapped out software as far as the eye can see. thanks universe, thanks for nothing.”

Beautiful.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Charlie Austin]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “but charlie – TV, broadcast, media whatever – its expanding, look at netflix for god’s sake, or where youtube and amazon are going – and in its case torrenting is shown to be a multiplier

you’re making a pretty weird argument and I don’t think it accurately represents where things are going?”

I’m not arguing that it’s going away, just that the monolithic, central control is going away. I think that the music industry – in the sense of the amount of people making and distributing music – is larger than it’s ever been… Instead of a few people/companies making all the money, there are now thousands… millions of people making.. less money. 🙂

I’m just saying that the current visual media production and distribution model is undergoing the same transformation. The system that dictates that you must use this system or that system to produce your media because that’s what we require, is crumbling… slowly…

[Aindreas Gallagher] “we nearly had them charlie. they were on the run. Now its middle aged Avid dicks crowing about their clapped out software as far as the eye can see.”

LOL… For the moment, maybe. I don’t think it’s over yet. I’m in the heart of the machine, and I can see the cracks forming… 😉

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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Tony West]

[Bill Davis] “They won’t naturally “get” that in your scenario, ALL the original footage remains available at all the stages of the edit. “

Agreed Bill, I would have to come in there and give a straight up demo and make that very clear.

I enjoyed your webcast the other evening btw

[Bill Davis]

It was a little surreal. And I’m definitely not sure I “schooled” anyone on anything. But I tried to give a basic overview for the legions who are not full time editors – on some of the power of moving away from the mouse.

I still feel it’s really easy here to presume that everyone coming to X already knows all the fundamentals of basic editing. But I”m also mindful of a stat that crossed my view a week or so ago that for everyone who posts to web forums like this – there are 99 others who NEVER post, just lurk and read and try to learn. While quite a few of those on a board like this are also very experienced pros – not all are in that category. There are the educators and corporate folks and lone wolfs who want to learn X and editing, but don’t already have lots of years in an edit chair.

So I wanted to start at square one. I tried to cover roughly 30 of the most commonly used keyboard shortcuts in X – starting with the ones that ONLY apply to X – then doing the JKL transport review – and finally, some of the stuff mentioned by the talented editors here like the top and tail commands and some more advance navigation stuff – heck, If I can do 30 per “episode” then it will only take me vaguely a year to get to all the 306 standard as shipped X shortcuts!

If nothing else, the experiment taught me how hard it is to put together an interesting live to the web program. (A standard I feel I fell really far short of on this first modest experiment! Some stuff took WAY too long – I gotta remember the “short attention span theatre” nature of the new world!)

Plans are currently to do it again next month, but I think I’ll try it from the more controlled environment in my own studio rather than as a location production.

At least that way, I can opt out of the “black drape” look. ; )

We’ll see where it goes from here.

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[Bill Davis]

[tony west] “I enjoyed your webcast the other evening btw”

Thanks!

The overall webcast was WAY too slow. I’m gonna re-think the format.

Were you one of our 5 NYC viewers? It’s weird to see where people tune in from. We also had 2 outliers in Ohio and I have NO clue how they found out about it.

Very strange thing to try and understand – this internet world!

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[Tony West]

[Bill Davis] “Were you one of our 5 NYC viewers?”

No, I live in St. Louis

[Aindreas Gallagher]

you make good points there but –

[Nikolas Bäurle] “adding transitions takes one or two steps more in X than Legacy, not a big deal. In the secondary you turn the clips into a storyline and your good to go.”

the fact is you have to change editing modality to allow dissolves. that’s weird. do you know? I think the audio component requires way too much pre-preparation to make it workable, you’re right that tracked timelines can be messy – but there is implicit order presented as a basic, easily intelligible visible framework. X offers no such logical framework – just a demand that you pre-tag the hell out of every audio object entering the timeline. Also the video rules apple dreamed up can verge on arbitrary, like in the instance above.

totally get that you can get very fond of the app tho – plenty have. plus the points I’m making there are pre-cambrian they are so old, and have been hashed out a million, million times here – so a bit redundant really!

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[Bill Davis]

aha! You’re the Missouri hits.

My web folks sent this report and even mentioned you! Well, not YOU you. But the Missouri show up. Out of idle curiosity did you watch, dive out and watch again? just wondering if that’s what caused the 2 count or if there was actually someone else in Missouri who watched it.

Like I said, this webcasting thing is a whole new world.

Also wondering if the quality was OK and if the screen shots were readable?

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