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FCPX or Not?
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[Michael Hancock] “I guess that’s a fix, but the program is still treating gaps differently than clips in this instance, but the same in other instances. It’s inconsistent and is still making an assumption about your intent. “
Yeah, but this is with the position tool, which is a tool of intent. It preforms differently than all the other tools as it shuts rippling off. It says, “I want to move this video clip here, and leave a gap, and not ripple the timeline. If I have a gap, I assume that you want to ripple the timeline as why would you leave a gap with a gap when you can clearly just create another gap, or hit a for the selection tool”.
I hope Boris the Yonder Yak adds that to his FCPX.2 repertoire. Save Boris the Wonder Yak!
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[Shane Ross] “Jeremys right, trying to explain the work around to get this to work is pointless. FCX won’t be a part of any project I work on. Simply doesnt have my needs in mind.”
I wasn’t attempting to suggest a work around, I was honestly curious about what shortcomings you found. As I stated, I hadn’t had much time to play around with roles so it made me wonder what your experience was.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Yeah, but this is with the position tool, which is a tool of intent. I”
Right. Compare that to Media Composer, which has a similar setup (minus the rippling timeline). Segment mode are your tools of intent. You can overwrite mode, which means the clips you move around overwrite what you place them on, or insert mode – the clips ripple when you drop them. But the difference is that filler and clips are treated consistently with either mode, or tool of intent.
[Jeremy Garchow] “It says, “I want to move this video clip here, and leave a gap, and not ripple the timeline. If I have a gap, I assume that you want to ripple the timeline as why would you leave a gap with a gap when you can clearly just create another gap, or hit a for the selection tool”. “
The way I see it, the position tool does not have consistent behavior – it’s behavior tied to the asset you’re moving, and that’s illogical. You already have a way to remove a gap – select and delete. The position tool should treat the gap the same as a clip – you want to move video, replace with gap. You move a gap, replace with gap. It’s the same for everything and simplifies the tool. If you want to remove the gap, the position tool would be the wrong tool – you would select and delete it. The way it stands now, the interface is not predictable.
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Michael Hancock
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[Michael Hancock] “The way I see it, the position tool does not have consistent behavior – it’s behavior tied to the asset you’re moving, and that’s illogical. You already have a way to remove a gap – select and delete. The position tool should treat the gap the same as a clip – you want to move video, replace with gap. You move a gap, replace with gap. It’s the same for everything and simplifies the tool. If you want to remove the gap, the position tool would be the wrong tool – you would select and delete it. The way it stands now, the interface is not predictable.”
I hear you. But it does work. As I mentioned in the other thread, this should be fixed by Apple to protect people from themselves. That is fine, just look at how clip collisions work in FCP7, they are just protecting people from perhaps screwing up. But in this case with X, it make sense as the position tool is a gap tool, but I am a total weirdo around here.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “That is fine, just look at how clip collisions work in FCP7, they are just protecting people from perhaps screwing up. But in this case with X, it make sense as the position tool is a gap tool, but I am a total weirdo around here.”
Actually, I might be the weirdo – I despise and detest and loathe the clip collision stuff in FCP7. I abhor it. I don’t need to be protected from myself – I am an editor, I make my money doing this. I know clips will collide and I’m ok with it – it is my intent and the software prevents me from doing what I want without locking a bazillion tracks.
It’s my #1 complaint about FCP, and I was really, really hoping to see it fixed with FCPX. Oh well.
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Michael Hancock
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[Michael Hancock] “Segment mode are your tools of intent. You can overwrite mode, which means the clips you move around overwrite what you place them on, or insert mode – the clips ripple when you drop them. But the difference is that filler and clips are treated consistently with either mode, or tool of intent.”
I hate to disagree but … if Media Composer were consistent in its logic you would be able to select a gap/filler with the yellow (Extract/Splice) segment tool and deleting would ripple the timeline. It doesn’t.
I’m not saying it should, though on reflection that could be quite handy, I’m just saying that nothing is as perfectly consistent as it seems.
Simon Ubsdell
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I hear you about clip collisions. It’s really annoying.
[Michael Hancock] “It’s my #1 complaint about FCP, and I was really, really hoping to see it fixed with FCPX. Oh well.”
Well wait. Time out for a sec.
Isn’t that what the magnetic timeline does?
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Never tried it (I prefer Mark Clip/Extract). If it doesn’t work then Avid needs to fix that too, then. That is illogical.
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Michael Hancock
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Yes and no. There are no clip collisions, but it’s just moving stuff up and down to get it out of the way. I don’t want stuff to move out of the way. When I have a collision, I want the clip I’m moving to overwrite the clip it’s colliding with. If I don’t want it to I’ll move stuff myself to keep it from happening.
Is there a modifier that keeps things in place and overwrites them when you shuffle stuff around?
Also, I don’t like the rippling timeline. I really, really like things static and only moving when I’m making very conscious decisions to move them. Like I said, I may be weird when it comes to this stuff.
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Michael Hancock
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[Michael Hancock] “Is there a modifier that keeps things in place and overwrites them when you shuffle stuff around?”
Yeah, in the primary storyline, it’s the position tool. It overwrites whatever’s in the primary (but that does not account for connected clips, which simply get out of the way. Still better than not letting me do it at all).
[Michael Hancock] “Also, I don’t like the rippling timeline. I really, really like things static and only moving when I’m making very conscious decisions to move them. Like I said, I may be weird when it comes to this stuff.”
Nope, not at all. It’s what most people are complaining about I think. It all boils down to that simple notion.
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