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Tahir Ramzan
October 8, 2011 at 9:08 pmJust got FCPX today.. quick look around it and all seems good..very easy to use. New to Video editing in a professional way, but was always put off the whole FCP 7 package as was taking too long to learn. Had FCE Express for a while and did not enjoy it. For me FCPX seem great so far.
Tahir Ramzan
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Liam Hall
October 8, 2011 at 9:24 pmMy opinion hasn’t changed at all. There’s a lot to like in FCPX, but I need more grown-up features for it to be my main in NLE.
More importantly, I need to trust that Apple is in this for the long haul. I need openness and proper communication, not the over zealous use of NDAs and the biased “opinion” of educators, bloggers and others with too much self-interest and not enough objectivity. The software can be fixed, I’m not sure about the attitude, it needs a change of culture at Apple, a shift in their corporate paradigm…
Liam Hall
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Erik Lundberg
October 8, 2011 at 10:01 pmI’ve been playing with FCP X in my spare time (the little I have of that kind) since the release in june. And I’m constantly changing my mind back and forth. I see great potential in it, and I’m really eager to see what problems apple will solve and features they will add in the near future. At the same time I’m really frustrated by the fact that the software don’t do some of the things we really need in our workflow today. But I still have high hopes that this WILL shortly be a splendid peace of software that we can use to do really creative stuff on a day to day basis, and that it will support our workflows of today AND tomorrow.
And be flexible like nothing else. Please be.
Erik Lundberg
Technical Director, Media Technology, University of Gothenburg, Sweden
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Tahir Ramzan
October 8, 2011 at 10:15 pmAgree about Apple and its attitude towards its trusted productivity users..E.G just look at what they have done with Mobile Me galleries. Such a profit making company to decide to just scrap what they promoted and pushed us, their customers to use is beyond a joke for me and my friends. Certain friends have 7 years of work on Mobile Me galleries.
SmugMug all the way for me now.
I would leave Apple, but its still one of the most stable platforms.Tahir Ramzan
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Aindreas Gallagher
October 9, 2011 at 12:00 amwell, no. I’m still curmudgeonly.
CUUURRRmuddgeeooonnlllyy
This application is dead in the water isn’t it?
I mean isn’t this thing just floating dead in the pond?
nevermind that shake, soundtrack pro, dvd studio and colour are out back with their necks wrung but..this release completely killed the existing FCP eco-system, the trainers like steve martin are increasingly desperate in their appearances, wes plate is gone and there is little or no adoption from educational, broadcast, or, god love apple – even the snow boarders –
isn’t it dead?Its not an editing system – its a software mess of GTD tagging, iphoto events, imovie timelines, motion templates – its not an editing system.
Its dead.In 12 months, i venture from my trash bin – its a 99 dollar throwaway to pick up the video pagemaker market.
FCP is dead. Our whole entire thing is dead.
and now I have to learn avid. and so thank you cruel fates.
http://www.ogallchoir.net
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Daniel Annefelt
October 9, 2011 at 12:38 am[Aindreas Gallagher]
“its not an editing system.
Its dead.”Whoa, back up, slow down.
Now. Explain it to me like I’m a four-year-old.regards
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Rafael Amador
October 9, 2011 at 1:23 am[Andy Neil] “Motion doesn’t work in tracks. It never has. It works in layers like AE. There’s a difference. One of the biggest being that you can only have one clip per layer.”
Sure, there are differences. Layers is just one of the natural qualities of any track based system.
That get lost in a system that manage just data/metada instead of video, so is necessary to resource to a second application (Motion, AE,..) and to a round-trip workflow.
We just have flown back in time to when editing and postproduction where two different jobs.
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Aindreas Gallagher
October 9, 2011 at 1:34 ami am the four year old – I’m throwing my toys out of the pram.
apple have not produced an editing system. it was not built by editors, editors are on record saying their advice was ignored, a half decade FCP engineer confirms that professional practices were completely jettisoned in apple’s thinking –
https://sachin.posterous.com/why-apple-built-final-cut-pro-x
they, apple, made a profit play for a pagemaker video market, and in so doing comprehensively destroyed the professional foundation that was FCP studio.
FCP is dead. we are, waiting for godot style, staring blankly at a soon to be 99 bucks HD imovie. god knows nobody ever used motion. why would we care that its messed up all into this stupid new imovie thing? why would anyone care about either messed up application now? All we ever cared about was FCP as was really – that and colour. shake before they killed it. Its just a whale graveyard of dead professional bones at apple. there is no pro apps anymore. we’re whistling past the graveyard.
FCP is truly dead. As john Gruber puts it – we’ve got an appstore Imovie extreme.
there is no industry or professional pickup. FCP as we understood it is dead. God knows its a black dead letter in London.
Its dead because apple comprehensively killed it – its done.
http://www.ogallchoir.net
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Michael Gissing
October 9, 2011 at 1:37 amI do broadcast post finishing (grade & sound post). FCPX is effectively useless as an editing app in my workflow. Until robust OMF and XML round tripping, ability to open years of FCP legacy projects and proper monitoring via Kona/ Matrox/ Decklink cards is available, it remains a curio.
As broadcast dies sometime in the next decade, it might become a mature app and useful to my business. I resent Apple trying to engineer the demise of broadcast like they have with floppy drives and bluray, regardless of whether history eventual proves their point. Software and hardware companies are best when they coerce with superior product but not when they decide a formats fate and force it upon you. Secrecy and forced legacy make me nervous of any supplier.
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Andy Neil
October 9, 2011 at 4:41 am[Rafael Amador] “Sure, there are differences. Layers is just one of the natural qualities of any track based system.”
I’m sorry. I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. Layers and tracks are two separate things. Layers are not qualities of a track based system. They are qualities of layers. FCPX does not have tracks, but they DO have layers.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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