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  • Walter Soyka

    November 16, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    My big question about metadata in FCPX is this: will it be open?

    For example, Bill is collecting all his footage into one big, flexible, searchable FCPX database. Five years from now, he will have put an incredible amount of effort into tagging his footage and created inordinate value in his database. It will be an important asset for him.

    What if Bill decides to switch to another NLE? Is he locked into FCPX’s integrated DAM, or can he get that valuable data out of FCPX and into a new DAM of his choice?

    Walter Soyka
    Principal & Designer at Keen Live
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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  • Oliver Peters

    November 16, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    [Walter Soyka] “do you have any idea how FCPX would handle other in-camera metadata”

    To my knowledge, it’s not there. I don’t believe any of the P2 data comes across. With Alexa this data is carried in an XML, not the QT. Since FCP X doesn’t read old XMLs, you don’t get this info. Presumably Apple is leaning on the implementation of camera manufacturer plug-ins based on their SDK. That doesn’t help with the QT issue though. For example, I never use native H264 5D files and always convert first. When I do, I add TC and Reel IDs. Only the TC is recognized by FCP X.

    Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Oliver Peters

    November 16, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    [Walter Soyka] ” Bill is collecting all his footage into one big, flexible, searchable FCPX database.”

    Good question. Explain that to my FC Server client. 😉

    Why do you think Murch puts more faith in his FMP database?

    Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Christian Schumacher

    November 16, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    I believe that metadata in FCP X is oriented to work within iOS.
    It isn’t better – as others have pointed out – it is just suited for their main ecosystem.
    You know, iPads, iPhones, iCloud…And anything around this model.

    It is significant in the matter that every technology developed by Apple now is aimed at this.
    And all softwares from Apple have to run on iOS – or are planned to do so ASAP.

    Accordingly, Pro Apps were EOL’ed because they didn’t fit that “new” model.
    Judging by Apple’s actions, the Mac OS won’t last a longer lifetime here on Earth either.

  • Tony West

    November 16, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    How did it work?

    Like if I used markers and noted a word like “river” in the marker how would the find located that?

  • Franz Bieberkopf

    November 16, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    I am also excited by the meta data promise of FCPX.

    However, if what you have written is true Oliver Peters, this is an astonishing hole in implementation.

    Franz.

  • Christian Schumacher

    November 16, 2011 at 3:27 pm

  • Oliver Peters

    November 16, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Also:

    https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/markers-are-your-friend/

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Oliver Peters

    November 16, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    [Christian Schumacher] “I believe that metadata in FCP X is oriented to work within iOS.”

    That may well be true, but we are miles and miles away from that today or in the foreseeable few years. iCloud, as it has publicly been positioned, is little more than a push-sharing mechanism for Apple devices. There doesn’t appear to be any provision for permanent storage of user content in iCloud and that would be essential for this to work. Not to mention, given Apple’s history with DotMac, MobileMe and Final Cut Server – would you trust this to be there five years from now?

    Right now, only Avid and Quantel have any commercial cloud-editing product available and those are pretty limited in their current implementation.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Walter Soyka

    November 16, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    [Christian Schumacher] “Judging by Apple’s actions, the Mac OS won’t last a longer lifetime here on Earth either.”

    Just as Apple dropped the “Computer” from their name, OS X has dropped the “Mac.”

    URL aside, look at the references to 10.7 on the OS X Lion page [link], or check out the language in any recent support doc [link]:

    Products Affected
    Mac OS X 10.3, Mac OS X 10.4, Mac OS X 10.6, Mac OS X 10.5, OS X Lion

    I don’t want to be accused of reading too much into that decision, but I am sure it was not made lightly.

    Walter Soyka
    Principal & Designer at Keen Live
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
    Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

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