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[Charlie Austin] “Still, it seems that there’s something unusual going wrong with your event.”
Actually, I was just able to reproduce it on a completely different system with different media.
1. Take an MOS clip, Open In Timeline, connect an audio track to it.
2. Edit that modified clip as a connected clip or a storyline clip to the project you are editing and then detach audio.
3. Delete/remove the dangling connected audio from the timeline.
4. Match-frame attempts on that clip will now fail.– Oliver
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[Chris Harlan] “Its an opinion piece. Its supposed to be biased; that’s what opinions are. “
Agreed, though the reactions to peoples “opinions” about X (Bill, I’m looking at you!) engender similar reactions among those who disagree. (and sometimes from people who *do* agree lol) If Kevin wrote the same piece about MC or Pr, he’d get the same reaction, just from different camps. 😉
[Chris Harlan] “Now if you can point out exactly where he is misinformed, I might be interested in listening.”
I think his observation that no *big* facilities have switched to X, is correct. In Toronto and elsewhere. But really, a lot of those big Post facilities never switched to FCP Classic either, at least places that finish stuff. They tolerated FCP. I think the biggest sticking point for facilities, at least the ones I know of that are interested in X (yes, there really are some of those…) is collaboration. The whole Project/Event dependency dance you need to do now. If that changes, I think people will take a closer look. The timeline change is also a biggie, but at the end of the day it’s just a timeline into which you cut things. SHIFT-1,2 or 3 then Q, W, E, or D. There. Now you can edit in the magnetic timeline. Your welcome.
All facetiousness aside… What bugs me about Kevin’s piece is that are a few things that are just pure conjecture stated as facts:
At the end of the day, there is one reason that FCP7 became FCPX. Apple doesn’t care about editors and editing. They care about phone sales.
Right. That’s why they spent a not insignificant amour of time and money to create an entirely new Mac Pro. to sell phones.
They don’t care that we don’t have audio mixing (Soundtrack Pro), DVD creation (DVD Studio Pro), Color Grading (Color).
Soundtrack Pro = Logic (admittedly a WIP, but you can see where they’re going.
DVD Studio Pro – Yes, EOL, but apparently Adobe doesn’t care about this either, and Avid never did.
Color = For the majority of users, what’s in X is very good, much better than the old FCP. If you need more, Resolve is free. Why would Apple want to compete in that space anymore?In FCP’s heyday, MC facilities were switching their facilities over to FCP, and it had Avid (and Adobe for that matter) reeling! Today, no post facility using Media Composer has said “The features in FCPX completely blow away what’s in MC right now, we must switch all of our edit stations over!”
They never said that in FCP’s “heyday” either. They said, “well, it can do most of what we need, but more importantly, look how cheap it is! We’ll take it!”
Learn it as well as you can, but make sure you also know Media Composer and Premiere Pro CC just as well,
Complete agreement there, especially for freelancers.
as the day is coming where Apple could very will just flip the switch, and leave everyone in the dark.
The day is coming when Avid could very well go out of business. The day is coming when Adobe isn’t making money and could very well EOL their Video apps. The end is near!
In the grand scheme of things… what was the point of this piece? Honestly, at this point who cares what NLE “everyone” uses? It’s trivially easy to swap a sequence in and out of X, FCP 7, and Pr. MC is kind of an outlier here, but it’s doable. They all do the same thing. They all do some things better than the other. Some are easier, some are harder, depending on what your needs are. What is it about X that sets people off so much? That’s an opinion piece I’d like to read…
Eventually, some “name” editor will cut a “Hollywood Feature” on X. Then we get to listen to people’s opinions as to why that doesn’t matter. I can’t wait! 🙂
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[Oliver Peters] “Actually it doesn’t. It creates Synchronized clips with timecode reset to 0. Not useable.”
Point taken. Hopefully that will change…
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[Oliver Peters] “Actually, I was just able to reproduce it on a completely different system with different media.
1. Take an MOS clip, Open In Timeline, connect an audio track to it.
2. Edit that modified clip as a connected clip or a storyline clip to the project you are editing and then detach audio.
3. Delete/remove the dangling connected audio from the timeline.
4. Match-frame attempts on that clip will now fail.”Interesting. I just performed the same steps and It did something odd in the process.
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[Bill Davis] “But it’s also kinda cool to be able to type two keystrokes call up a picture of all the parts similar to the one you’re thinking about using right now – and have the other thousand parts stay hidden until you decide you need to work with them.
“it’s really hard to argue with that. magic bins that form based on a scene, take, or character keyword, or any combination of all the above is quite the notion.
caveat that I know utterly nothing about feature narrative organisation. tags are killler tho. they just are.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Charlie Austin] “Interesting. I just performed the same steps and It worked, but did something odd in the process. It’s possible I have a different version of X than you though, you on 10.0.9?… In any case off to report it to Apple . :-)”
Beats me. OS 10.8.5 and FCP X 10.0.9 on both machines that I have seen this with. Otherwise, completely unrelated media and everything else between the two. So, no “cross-contamination” in any way. It’s all 1920x1080p/23.98 media – various ProRes flavors. And yes, I have reported it.
What do you mean by “something odd”?
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Chris Harlan] “Exactly how is it misinformed? I don’t see it.
And biased? Its an opinion piece. Its supposed to be biased; that’s what opinions are.”
Some opinions are more informed then others, therefore less biased (i.e., more fair, if you want a definition).
How is it misinformed…? See Mr Austin’s post above or the posts at fcp.co. Overall the article is a reactionary piece, more appropriate for 2011 than 2013. Do professional editors care about FCPX? Apparently Mr McAulife’s type of professionals don’t care. And anyone else who cares about FCPX, the thousands of editors out there using FCPX to make a living, don’t count.
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[Oliver Peters] “What do you mean by “something odd”?”
Just… odd. 🙂
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[Charlie Austin] “[Chris Harlan] “Its an opinion piece. Its supposed to be biased; that’s what opinions are. ”
Agreed, though the reactions to peoples “opinions” about X (Bill, I’m looking at you!) engender similar reactions among those who disagree. (and sometimes from people who *do* agree lol) If Kevin wrote the same piece about MC or Pr, he’d get the same reaction, just from different camps. 😉
“Yes, I DO get that, and have no problem with him vigorously disagreeing with Kevin’s opinion, but dismissing an opinion as biased is a bit absurd. Its not about sides.
[Charlie Austin] “All facetiousness aside… What bugs me about Kevin’s piece is that are a few things that are just pure conjecture stated as facts:
“Fair enough.
[Charlie Austin] “But really, a lot of those big Post facilities never switched to FCP Classic either, at least places that finish stuff. “
By 2009, I don’t know of any Post facility in LA that didn’t offer FCP. And a lot of promo companies were using it exclusively, or at least seriously. Will it be the same with X by 2018? Maybe.
[Charlie Austin] “At the end of the day, there is one reason that FCP7 became FCPX. Apple doesn’t care about editors and editing. They care about phone sales.
Right. That’s why they spent a not insignificant amour of time and money to create an entirely new Mac Pro. to sell phones.
“There are a lot of reasons that Apple may have created a new Mac Pro that have little or nothing to do with what they think of or care about video editors. And, of course, some that say they do. I’m not sure which I believe. What we can agree on, though, is that the new Mac Pros will make up only a very tiny sliver of Apple’s earnings next year, and that phone sales will preoccupy the company.
[Charlie Austin] “In FCP’s heyday, MC facilities were switching their facilities over to FCP, and it had Avid (and Adobe for that matter) reeling! Today, no post facility using Media Composer has said “The features in FCPX completely blow away what’s in MC right now, we must switch all of our edit stations over!”
They never said that in FCP’s “heyday” either. They said, “well, it can do most of what we need, but more importantly, look how cheap it is! We’ll take it!”
“I disagree. There was a two/three year stretch–say 2006-2009–where the features of FCP beat the crud out of the decaying Media Composer 2.8. There were so many things I could do on FCP that just could not be done on an Avid, and a lot of people were noticing. You couldn’t even reposition an HD frame in an SD timeline. “Center cut” was the only option. Avid’s own forums were full of long-term editors bemoaning how far behind Media Composer had fallen behind. That’s when FCP actually began to surge. So, yes, I saw some of what Kevin is talking about.
[Charlie Austin] “Complete agreement there, especially for freelancers.
as the day is coming where Apple could very will just flip the switch, and leave everyone in the dark.
The day is coming when Avid could very well go out of business. The day is coming when Adobe isn’t making money and could very well EOL their Video apps. The end is near!
“Quite true. Any one of these puppies could easily fly away.
[Charlie Austin] “Eventually, some “name” editor will cut a “Hollywood Feature” on X. Then we get to listen to people’s opinions as to why that doesn’t matter. I can’t wait! 🙂
“I not quite ready to replace “probably” with “eventually,” but yes. I’m looking forward to the coming release. I’m very curious about what’s there.
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[Ty Vann] “Some opinions are more informed then others, therefore less biased (i.e., more fair, if you want a definition).
“Kevin’s got a lot of experience, and you may disagree with his take, but I believe he’s probably pretty well informed on the Post scene in Toronto, and has a fairly clear eye to what is and what is not being incorporated there.
[Ty Vann] “ow is it misinformed…? See Mr Austin’s post above or the posts at fcp.co. Overall the article is a reactionary piece, more appropriate for 2011 than 2013.”
I agree. Charlie had some interesting bones to pick. Sorry if I came across harshly. We are all passionate about these issues.
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