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FCPX Dogs, New Names
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[Bill Davis] “If, in fact, X is now actually viewed by most here as a viable choice, then the “or not” is superfluous.”
I disagree Bill and the fact that Scott thought my reference to Blackmagic & Adobe was pointless makes that “or not” necessary. As an editor you understand context and counter argument. Sometimes trimming the fat throws away flavor. Simplicity is not always clarity.
As editors who have adopted and seen the software develop to the point where it meets most of your needs and is superior in some aspects to alternatives, it doesn’t change the fact that in many areas of the creative industries, X still isn’t meeting needs and there are other NLEs that are better in many respects. The “or not” is relevant and really the only thing making debate sensible. If you want a debate forum that excludes alternative software and points of view then fine, ask Tim for “FCPX the Internal Dialog” and leave this debate forum for more expansive opinion and reasoned debate.
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How about: FCPX Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
Kind of ambiguous, yet smirk inducing.
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Personally I have never used this forum to gain a perspective against the use of FCPX. I have embraced and creatively cherished the magnetic timeline way too fast and too intensely that the apparent shortcomings of earlier version could have outweighed this boost to my editing process.
But I have enjoyed most of the input here as it offered a perspective on FCPX in relation to the world it lives in: OSX, Mac Products, Peripherals and of course the world all this is being used in by the people that use it.
“FCPX – all things considered” would seem like a name that does justice to the breadth of information being posted here around the subject.
Tobias
In Touch Media GmbH
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[Michael Gissing] “I still come here to read the sort of discourse that allows open debate about all NLEs and relative merits in a variety of usage.”
My point exactly. This forum is not about X specifically, rather the entire NLE landscape.
Scott Witthaus
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I realise Scott is running a hard campaign to change the name but I think there are a very LARGE amount of people out there who are still considering their switching options from FCP7 and this forum is still very good at giving those people some genuine insight from actual FCPX users.
If people want a broader NLE forum then make a new one and let that one find an audience – this one still serves a valid purpose IMHO.
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[Michael Gissing] “I still come here to read the sort of discourse that allows open debate about all NLEs and relative merits in a variety of usage.”
Then the forum should be renamed to “Which NLE?: The Debate“. It seems silly to have it listed with the Apple forums and just be about FCP X. There is no longer a debate as to whether to use FCP X or not any more than there is a debate to use any other NLE or not. If we want a forum to debate about NLE’s (which sounds like fun) then rename the forum so that more NLE owners add their voices. As it is now, the forum is probably ignored by any other NLE editor other than FCP 7 and FCP X.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
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[John Rofrano] “Then the forum should be renamed to “Which NLE?: The Debate””
Bingo! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! That’s perfect and makes much more sense to having one NLE in the title. If you want FCPX info, you go to the Techniques forum. Want to rage on about (insert your NLE here), this would be the forum for you.
Well played.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
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[Scott Witthaus] “[John Rofrano] “Then the forum should be renamed to “Which NLE?: The Debate””
Bingo! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! That’s perfect and makes much more sense to having one NLE in the title. If you want FCPX info, you go to the Techniques forum. Want to rage on about (insert your NLE here), this would be the forum for you.
“Or start a new forum and go there!
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[Steve Connor] “Or start a new forum and go there!”
But I don’t believe that’s why Tim started this thread. Tim’s question was should the forum be renamed, not should we start a new one. That suggests that the name of the forum no longer matches it’s content and some of us have suggested that the “FCP X or not debate” has come and gone, and the current thread topics seem to support this (no one is talking about that anymore)
The question is: should we archive it, or rename it to something more appropriate that would invite others to come and debate whatever it is we feel we should be debating here, or let it die like the Creative Cloud Debate forum did?
The purpose of a forum is to invite everyone who is interested to participate. If the name of the forum suggests something different than it’s contents, then people will not know what it’s “true” purpose is and it would have failed as a vehicle for stimulating group discussion (which is actually the sole purpose of a “debate” forum).
As I said, as a new FCP X editor, I came to this forum looking for what “the debate” was and I didn’t find any. That happened 3 years ago. It’s time to move on to the “next debate”. If we are going to discuss more than FCP X here as some have suggested, then the title should reflect that.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
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[John Rofrano] “As I said, as a new FCP X editor, I came to this forum looking for what “the debate” “
I’m a little confused with all the comments about there being no debate on FCPX here, I must be looking at the wrong forum!
“The Debate” has moved on from whether it is professional or not that’s for sure but there is still plenty of other things about it and it’s ecosystem to “debate”
Other option is to rename this one and change the FCPX techniques forum to a broad FCPX forum similar to the old Final Cut Pro forum which managed to cover both techniques and debate for so many years.
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