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  • FCPX and XMP

  • Matt Babcock

    February 16, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    I’m currently working in a museum context and metadata is very valued so time is made for it.

    Before this I was working in a post house where we had APs adding basic metadata after their shoots into Final Cut Server. Eliminating the need for a edit station/training to add metadata really increased the amount we capture without adding a to much work to anyone person’s plate. But since that data was essentially trapped in Final Cut Server without more custom scripting than my company was willing to pay for it the practice fell out of use.

    Working in Adobe Premiere with Final Cut Server should allow for either the editor or the AP/AE to add metadata and have it be visible by all parties.

    Dennis, does Premiere have dynamic bins based on metadata like FCPx? (I’ve been meaning to cut a project in Premiere for about a year now and keep getting behind so I can’t waste time learning something new)

  • Steve Connor

    February 16, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    [Matt Babcock] “Dennis, does Premiere have dynamic bins based on metadata like FCPx?”

    Good question, If it hasn’t already I’m betting it will 🙂

    Steve Connor
    “FCPX Agitator”
    Adrenalin Television

  • Lance Bachelder

    February 16, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Does Final Cut Server even exist anymore?

    Lance Bachelder
    Writer, Editor, Director
    Irvine, California

  • Matt Babcock

    February 16, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    It isn’t for sale anymore but there are still places running it. Despite it’s issues it was an invaluable for us. We had around 15 edit suits being fed by it and couldn’t have managed the media management for that many suites as understaffed as we were without it. Those facility are going to need to roll to a new NLE soon and not having to give up their server installs is a nice bonus to transitioning to premiere.

  • Walter Soyka

    February 16, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    [Lance Bachelder] “Does Final Cut Server even exist anymore?”

    Nope. That’s a bit of a sore subject for some of the folks who had built infrastructure around it…

    This underscores the importance of metadata portability and open standards.

    The more effort you put into a MAM (media asset manager), the more value it has to your organization — and the more dependent you become upon it. If you can’t move your metadata freely in and out of a product, you are tying yourself to it. The more data you put in, the more expensive and painful it becomes to transition.

    We’re still in the early days of metadata for media, so I think these standards are only just beginning to emerge.

    XMP is open and extensible, so it could a great solution to this problem.

    Walter Soyka
    Principal & Designer at Keen Live
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
    Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

  • Dennis Radeke

    February 17, 2012 at 11:09 am

    [Matt Babcock] “Dennis, does Premiere have dynamic bins based on metadata like FCPx?”

    Premiere Pro does not organize media into bins based on metadata unless you do it yourself manually. However, Premiere Pro offers a search field in the project panel that allows you to search across any piece of metadata including speech to text or script metadata. So, for example if you had a bunch of clips that had ‘cars’ in them, simply type the word ‘cars’ in the field and only those clips would show up. Drag them into your ‘cars’ bin and you’d be set.

    However, if one clip had both ‘cars’ and ‘motorcycles’ in it you cannot dynamically have that clip exist in both bins. Of course, now’s about the time I should point you to the public feature request page on Adobe – https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

    I’d be curious as to this question: If you could have one feature from FCP X, what would it be?

    Dennis

  • Matt Babcock

    February 17, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    That is a really hard question. Despite all of it’s flaws FCPX does have some impressive features. As a caveat I’ve mostly been reading about it and have spent very little keyboard time with it yet. But honestly the dynamic metadata sorting and some of the other metadata workflow elements like auto assigning metadata to clips or assigning audio tracks based on metadata interest me the most since I can see them being immediate time savers which is what it is all about these days. The video world has lagged behind on metadata for far too long.

  • Walter Soyka

    February 17, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    [Dennis Radeke] “I’d be curious as to this question: If you could have one feature from FCP X, what would it be?”

    As the resident graphics guy, I’d love to see dynamic link expanded to include something like FCPX/M5’s rigging/effects-publishing integration.

    Being able to build titles, effects, and transitions in AE for use in Premiere Pro — without requiring the editor to actually work in AE — could be really cool.

    Walter Soyka
    Principal & Designer at Keen Live
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
    Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

  • Tapio Haaja

    February 18, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    [Walter Soyka] “As the resident graphics guy, I’d love to see dynamic link expanded to include something like FCPX/M5’s rigging/effects-publishing integration.

    Being able to build titles, effects, and transitions in AE for use in Premiere Pro — without requiring the editor to actually work in AE — could be really cool.

    Yeah I second this. This would be killer feature! We see already how FCPX gains quickly great new effects, transitions etc. because FCPX/Motion 5 collaboration.

    Best
    Tapio Haaja

    On-Air Promotion Producer
    https://avseikkailuja.blogspot.com/

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