FCP7 and KONA3

[Shane Ross]

Well, I have been using it for a couple days now with the Kona 3 and the latest drivers and I haven’t had an issue. None of the new codecs show up, but it works.

Shane

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[Michael Sacci]

Why do people always think the worse, maybe AJA did have the software but hasn’t finished it?

Install it on a fresh HD and play away, just have a quick way back.

[Walter Biscardi]

[Greg Nosaty] “Would it kill Apple to let there developer/partners in on their secrets so that everyone could release the new toys at the same time? “

If you know the relationship between Apple and AJA you would realize that AJA is always on the inside working with the Apple engineers months and sometimes years in advance of software releases. AJA and Apple essentially partnered on the Io HD.

You would also know that AJA doesn’t release anything until it absolutely works.

And I’ve been told by multiple people that FCP 7 and the current AJA Kona 3 drivers work with no issues. We don’t have our software yet so I can’t tell you personally, but as soon as we do, we’ll be testing that.

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[Arthur Aldrich]

My Kona3 is working fine with FCP7.

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[Greg Nosaty]

Boy I didn’t realize I would ruffle so many AJA feathers…

Yes Walter I’m aware of the relationship between Apple and AJA. AJA is a great company with great customer support but they are not without their flaws. As for “You would also know that AJA doesn’t release anything until it absolutely works.” well I disagree. If you have ever tried to move the timecode window or witnessed how inaccurate the timecode is when outputting DVCPRO 720 or maybe the fact that you always have to offset audio every time you do an up, down or cross converted edit to tape should be proof that they release many products before their time.

The current driver do work for the most part but as Shane reported the new codecs don’t show up. And I’m sure that we, as will other list members, find more issues before AJA releases their update. I need to do my updates now while I’m between projects. It’s just too bad that we can’t take advantage of new features like native AVC Intra support until our next series.

All I’m saying is that it would be nice if it all happened at the same time for a change.

cheers,
Greg Nosaty

Cinemontage Productions Inc

[David Roth weiss]

[Greg Nosaty] “I need to do my updates now while I’m between projects.”

Greg,

Want some cheese with your whine? :))

Come on, quit belly aching!!! Just install FCS3 to a firewire drive while you’re in between projects, boot to that and tinker to your heart’s content, and when the AJA drivers are released uninstall your present drivers and reinstall the new ones. At that point you can clone it over to your system drive if you want and you’ll be ready to rumble.

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[Greg Nosaty]

Yes David, I want a nice old crusty blue cheese with whine!

Man you L.A. guys are way to passive. I though you guys and us Vancouverites were like brothers ya know? But you beat us hands down in the chill department. The irony is us Canadian’s really know what “chill” feels like. 😉

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Greg Nosaty

Cinemontage Productions Inc

[Walter Biscardi]

[Greg Nosaty] “If you have ever tried to move the timecode window or witnessed how inaccurate the timecode is when outputting DVCPRO 720 or maybe the fact that you always have to offset audio every time you do an up, down or cross converted edit to tape should be proof that they release many products before their time. “

I’ve never had inaccurate timecode when outputting DVCPro HD 720. Even when laying back to the AJ-HD1200 with the proper TC offset.

I’ve never had to offset audio when converting anything.

If either of these were an issue, the over 300 masters that have been delivered to broadcasters would have been rejected immediately. These are masters delivered to both national and regional broadcasters.

[Greg Nosaty] “The current driver do work for the most part but as Shane reported the new codecs don’t show up. And I’m sure that we, as will other list members, find more issues before AJA releases their update. “

Of course the driver doesn’t support the new codecs. Those codecs didn’t exist when the AJA drivers were written so the new drivers are needed for these new codecs.

[Greg Nosaty] ” I need to do my updates now while I’m between projects. It’s just too bad that we can’t take advantage of new features like native AVC Intra support until our next series.
“

Of course AVC Intra works just fine using FCP 7 with the AJA Kona 3. You need to convert to ProRes, but it does work and it has worked for quite some time.

If you’re actually expecting Apple and all third party vendors to release software / updates all on the same day, that will never happen due to Apple’s secrecy policy. Fact of the matter is, the AJA Kona 3 works right now with FCP 7 so it’s your choice to update or not update.

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[David Roth weiss]

[Greg Nosaty] “you beat us hands down in the chill department.”

I can’t help it actually, here in L.A. we’re all just very, very cool people.

However, despite my coolness, I’d give anything to be out of this 99-degree weather and up there chopping video with you in Canada.

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[Greg Nosaty]

The timecode track on edit to tape is accurate. It’s the Kona timecode overlay window that displays the wrong timecode. So when I do outputs, to tape or DVD recorders, I have to use the FCP timecode reader on a nested sequence because it works and Kona doesn’t.

What I can’t believe is that you don’t have to offset you audio by one frame when you do a non-native output. The tech support guys at AJA had told me years ago that when ever the Kona cards has to process video, such as: up, down or cross convert, that the video is delayed and the audio has to be delayed manually in order to stay in sync.

So when I cross convert DVCPro 720p to DVCPro 1080i to an HD deck I have to delay audio by 1 frame. In fact some Quality Control reports from Nat Geo and Discovery International, have said it is actually 1 field not 1 frame. So If you don’t do that with your gear and Kona cards I’d like to know your “voodoo” because nobody in my circles has had the same luck.

I know Kona will convert to ProRes and that the new codecs didn’t exist back then!!!! that is precisely my point, Apple has made AVC Intra native and I want to use it now since I already paid for it last week! If you bought a new Ferrari and they said “you can’t DRIVE it until Exxon releases the updated fuel for it” would you be content to sit in your driveway and listen to the radio?

Finally, No I don’t expect “Apple and third party vendors to release software / updates all on the same day”. I’m too old, bitter and jaded to believe that anymore. But I still whine about the fact that it would be some much better for “their clients” if they did. ,)

cheers,
Greg Nosaty

Cinemontage Productions Inc