FCP X or not?

[Marcus Moore]

There aren’t too many things Motion users can hold above their AE counterparts, but I know that AE was (I hope not still is) requiring workaround for reflections while Motion has had them since version 4.

And if I think back maybe Motion’s build-in particle generator was ahead for a while. But anyone who’s serious about that stuff is using Particular anyway.

I very much hope that the FXPlug3 support in Motion encourages developers to bring some of the more popular 3rd party plugins to Motion.

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Michael Gissing] “The whole story sounds like it was written by someone who didn’t actually look beyond an Apple solution. If they used AE instead of Motion then the whole story would probably have been about 7 to Pr.

It is good that his editors don’t need or want for anything but that doesn’t exactly mean a lot to people with different workflows.
“

The counterpoint to this is, what if they didn’t have to look beyond an Apple solution, or they waited until the solution was ready?

Also, I think the editors DID need and want, and they waited for it. They waited until Apple delivered a suitable (and better) product that helped to standardize and deliver templates easier and faster than before, and once editors were used to the timeline, they actually liked it.

It’s not that they didn’t look around, it’s that they made a decision to wait.

[Oliver Peters]

Yes, that sounds familiar.

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Shawn Miller]

[Oliver Peters] “”Yes, expressions in Ae predate Motion itself by 3 years. And expressions were by no means unique to Ae: pretty much every worthwhile animation package has them.”

You guys are right about expressions. But there was something Adobe introduced in response to Motion. Maybe more animation presets or something. This was at the same time the puppet tool was introduced. I recall there were additional animation and random variations you could invoke. I believe you had to access these through Bridge. Anyone recall this? At the time I got the distinct impressions that the AE engineers were saying, “Oh, if that’s what you want, we can do that,too!””

Huh, can’t think what feature that may have been. But I would be curious to know. Maybe this helps jog the memory?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_After_Effects

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Marcus Moore] “And if I think back maybe Motion’s build-in particle generator was ahead for a while. But anyone who’s serious about that stuff is using Particular anyway.”

I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Motion’s particle engine is very similar to Wonder Touch’s ParticleIllusion… which also predates Motion… in fact, WT was able to convert part of their emitter library to Motion emitters, because the engines were so similar.

EDIT: I think the cool kids are using Particular alongside X-Particles + (3D software package of choice) for serious particle effects these days. 🙂

Shawn

[Jeremy Garchow]

Just joshing around with you, Walter.

All in good fun!

[Oliver Peters]

And now from the Apple “in action” page.

https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/in-action/scripps/

– Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Marcus Moore]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “so as I understand it, twenty editors, trained by him in the BBC, are editing or re-editing 30% of BBC output. okedoke. that all seems in order.”

I got some followup info from the guy. Here it is verbatim-

Ollie Kenchington,
“Simon Catt, head of BBC’s re-versioning unit in London. He looked in to Premiere but stuck his neck out and moved his whole dept. to FCPX. At the end of the course, he said he knew he’d made the right decision. As they re-edit a lot of other dept’s output, they effectively finish 30% of total output.”

[Walter Soyka]

[Jeremy Garchow] “All in good fun!”

And absolutely taken as such!

But I do really think that maybe “power” wasn’t quite the right word. I’d say that both FCPX/M5 and Pr/Ae are powerful, but not in the same ways. There’s a certain je ne sais quoi in Apple’s “think different” trade-off for simplicity (which was evident in neither Macromedia’s Key Grip nor the old traditional workstation Mac Pro).

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Simon Ubsdell]

[Walter Soyka] “There’s a certain je ne sais quoi in Apple’s “think different” trade-off for simplicity (which was evident in neither Macromedia’s Key Grip nor the old traditional workstation Mac Pro).”

You’ll be eating your words when you see the new 5.1.1 Motion update, Mr Soyka, just see if you don’t.

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo-uk.com