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Not taking sides in this, but honestly Herb, I think it’s really questionable to call someone out over a post they’ve subsequently deleted.
Most of us here have occasionally posted something that, on reflection, we wouldn’t have if we’d given it more thought.
That’s why delete is a thing.
And it’s something I think should be respected on all sides.
Just my 2cents.
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[Herb Sevush] “I’m sure it must be amazing that anyone would think you ever said something like that just because you deleted it after you posted it.”
Wow. What’s amazing is that nasty unexpected setback for you there, Herby!! There you go with your usual, pointless, inflammatory bs and adscititious personal attacks to feel all tough-guy-in-the-know, with otherwise nothing of value to add in addition to being the only one here that doesn’t even use FCP therefore can only be considered a bonified troll, and bam… you run straight, full force into a wall with it. Ouchy. Because I hate to break it to ya bud, but neither did I delete the post, nor is it deleted. Oooh. Bummers. And you tried so so hard!
But I’m sure that isn’t about to stop you from your usual and continued banter. Certainly not someone afraid of embarrassing himself, so it should continue to stay “interesting”.
– RK
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[Bill Davis] “Most of us here have occasionally posted something that, on reflection, we wouldn’t have if we’d given it more thought.
That’s why delete is a thing.
And it’s something I think should be respected on all sides.”
True with one caveat, if someone sees and responds to a post before it is deleted the original poster can’t pretend he never said it and that the other person is wacky. If Robin hadn’t challenged Steve about it
Then I would respect his deletion.But this —
RSK: “And I think you’re interpreting the question as my somehow suggesting no one EVER needs the position tool, which is obviously nonsense. In which case I think you need to go back and understand the context better.”
was written after he deleted it.
I was just helping everyone to understand the context better. It’s called honesty. You can’t have it both ways, you can’t delete something and then insist it’s the other person that’s having a problem when he mentions it.
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I find myself using the position tool for moving VO or music from a connected clip to the primary. Usually when replacing one or the other. I could use the cmd opt down arrow but it doesn’t work if you’ve trimmed the connected clips to a subframe level. But with the P tool you can hold shift and it will snap them to the nearest frame as you drag them to the primary.
Beyond that I don’t find myself using it much but not because full time ripple is a good idea, but because only a small part of the interface is in full ripple mode- storylines. Usually all my fx and b-roll are just connected clips until transitions or further finishing is needed. Moving them around is the same with or without the p tool. My primary is the vocal backbone and may get trimmed, but rarely requires the P tool.
The interface really wouldn’t be all that different if the P tool was the default for me as I don’t move stuff around in the primary, and the rough edit tools already reflect overwrite, insert, connect, etc.
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Yeah, THIS is what deleted looks like, or can look like… memorize it.
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[Robin S. Kurz] ” Because I hate to break it to ya bud, but neither did I delete the post, nor is it deleted. Oooh. Bummers. And you tried so so hard!”
When something is posted on the Cow and e-mailed out to subscribers it is time stamped. Your original post was time stamped 8:23, then it disappeared for a while, then I posted at 10:43, then your original post reappeared time stamped at 11:53. Hey, maybe Tim took it down for some reason, but isn’t it funny that your post to Steve happened right in that window when your post was removed.
In any event, if you didn’t remove your post then how do you square up your two statements?
8:23am
Robin S. Kurz:
” … Because I for one have maybe used the position tool TWICE and one of those times was for mere demonstration purposes. So much for essential or “need to know”.9:29am
[Robin S. Kurz] “And I think you’re interpreting the question as my somehow suggesting no one EVER needs the position tool, which is obviously nonsense. In which case I think you need to go back and understand the context better.”Herb Sevush
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[Tony West] “I would never really go dialog to dialog leading in.”
In interviews and drama, as a basic rule, I never want the audio and video to cut at the same moment, because when they do they draw the audiences attention to any discrepancy in room tone and general sound. So even if it’s only 8 frames I will offset any audio cuts from picture cuts within the same scene. Dramatically as well once I start on the interviewer asking a question I want to go to the CU of the interviewee to see how he’s reacting before he starts to answer, and often there is too long a pause so I cheat it and offset the audio.
[Tony West] “For me it’s more like, I hear the truck coming before I see it. I hear the truck sound on the back end of a guy’s interview.
Then I move the truck up because I want it to come in at the back end of a gals interview. It’s still leading in, it’s just leading in behind a girl now instead of a guy. Nothing to clean up here.”Yes, that’s easier, and there’s much less to clean up in this situation in Ppro – just trim back the audio till it matches the video, make your ripple move, and then extend the audio to fit. Is X quicker here? Yes, absolutely, but not as much as that demo tried to show – there’s no need to fix any gaps or anything else.
While I understand why you like X, for me that pick-up in speed is not worth the lack of a visually coherent track layout. There’s no free lunch – your getting something by giving up something, and if what your giving up has no value to you, then your choice is obvious.
Herb Sevush
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[Oliver Peters] “A nice presentation, but fundamentally skewed to pitch his preference for FCPX.”
Agreed. It also ignores the very real constraints that are imposed by editing for television, for example, in which the importance of timecode is central to workflow.
Horses for courses.
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[Herb Sevush] “for me that pick-up in speed is not worth the lack of a visually coherent track layout.”
Right.
Okay. So… just to be clear… therefore, if X had “a visually coherent track layout”, that would change everything? I mean then you would, by your own admission, have both, right? Speed and your “coherent track layout” (whatever that even means and you postulate as a key feature for supposedly superior editing), no?
– RK
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[Alan Okey] “It also ignores the very real constraints that are imposed by editing for television, for example, in which the importance of timecode is central to workflow.”
Feel free to elaborate. What does that mean exactly? How and where are you NOT working with timecode in FCP X where it is “central to workflow”? And how do you suppose these guys (as one of the more prominent of many many examples) are working around this supposed shortcoming? https://apple.co/1hrM6zb
I’m very curious, seeing that you must obviously know your way around broadcast and FCP X so well.
– RK
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