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FCP X destroying audio edits in XML output
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[James Ewart] “Don’t even understand why we don’t all shoot 30FPS for Cinema?”
Aesthetic choice at this point. Some people (me included) prefer the look of 24 or 25fps over 30. That might change with coming generations, of course. On a somewhat different technical note – for web work, 24 or 25 offers better compressed quality than 30 for the same given file size. Therefore, it’s more efficient and you generally see no difference on any displays. You would on CRTs, but those are all but dead.
[James Ewart] ” I don’t have any experience of this, but I think that we do a straight transfer of 24 FPS to 25FPS for TV. Certainly we used to in film days”
With a speed change. There are also 2 PAL pulldown methods, which are even more ridiculous than that used in the NTSC world.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Hey Oliver,
We work between FCP X and ProTools on a daily basis and I have seen no such problems with X2Pro and 10.1.3 XML. Hence my conclusion that FCP X XML is not to blame.
But I have done my tests with Logic and Resolve using 25fps video as I live in PAL world, so I will do a similar test with 23.98 fps video.
– Ronny
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I’ve heard people ay they prefer the loom of 24 over 25 – I always thought that was a bit far fetched an argument being that 24 looked more “filmic” then 25. More of a film versus tape argument from way back.
But the look of 24/25 over 30? Hmmm never heard that. 30 more clinical for your money? Something in the magic of that drop frame thingy? … I wonder … the fact that it is not a perfect fit? Maybe.
Transfer 24 to 25…. bit of a tone change in audio but doesn’t look so weird I don’t think.
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Have you been in contact with Intelligent Assistance?
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Well, then hang the project up.
After all, X DESTROYS audio.
It says so right there in the title.
When A thing is “destroyed” then there’s no possible way to salvage it.
That’s what “destroyed” means.
And Oliver is a writer. And writers understand words. And their effect.
So now everyone can move on to Premier or AVID. Because X “destroys” stuff.
Pretty simple messaging really. Who else wants to move with me over to the Sony Vegas Cafe and look around?
; )
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I’m not sure if Greg is back yet from visiting family in Australia And not even sure that matters in the globally connected world we all live in these days.
Regardless, as always they’ll leap tall buildings to get any actual issues resolved as fast as they possibly can.
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[Marcus Moore] “Have you been in contact with Intelligent Assistance?”
Yes, they are in the loop.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com -
After a bit more testing this afternoon, I have some interesting results. Two different projects.
Project A is a spot with sync audio that all comes from a C300 onboard recording. This is edited to the primary with split audio edits that overlap and have fades. Plus an edited music bed as connected clips. Project B is the test I used last night, with only VO and music edited as connected clips. Nothing on the primary.
I brought each into Resolve 11 and checked it there plus exported an XML from Resolve that I then brought into FCP 7. I also checked them in Logic Pro X. Lastly, I did a conversion via Xto7 to compare in FCP 7. So direct FCPXML into Resolve and Logic. Two different types of translated XMLs into FCP 7.
In the case of Project B (VO/music only as connected clips), Resolve and Logic don’t shift the clips. This holds true when I use the R11 XML export and bring that into FCP 7. The Xto7 conversion DOES shift the clips. So in this case Xto7 seems to be doing something wrong.
However, in Project A (sync camera audio) Resolve leaves everything on A1 and, therefore, cuts off all of the overlaps, making that useless. Logic correctly checkerboards the overlapping audio. When I bring the converted XML from R11 into FCP 7, clip sync is correct, but you still have the issue of the audio that’s clipped because the overlaps are gone, due to the single-track situation. OTOH, this project IS correctly represented inside FCP 7 using the Xto7 conversion.
The bottom line is that for Project A, Xto7 does the more accurate job. If you were going to use Resolve for a Project A piece, then you’d have to detach audio before exporting an FCP XML. For Project B, Resolve does the right thing. Logic is OK for all.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Bill Davis] “Well, then hang the project up.”
Judging by some of the posts in the Adobe CC debate forum, I would suggest that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones 😉 Just saying’ 😉
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters] “Judging by some of the posts in the Adobe CC debate forum, I would suggest that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones 😉 Just saying’ ;-)”
Well, I understand the point – to a point..
However, there is a difference.
I didn’t post a peep about the mess I was in until I confirmed that the mess was an ACTUAL mess. And that I fully understood the source of the mess.
So my headline, essentially CC had screwed up my workflow due to first, a system wide “down for maintenance” problem, then a systemic credit card validation issue. Factors I pointed out in detail.
Are you still comfortable with your headline? Do you stand by the fact that – X itself destroyed audio edits in your XML output? If so then the headline is fair. If not, perhaps not.
Places like this often drive the public perception of things. And so being as careful with the construction of headlines is as important as being careful with body copy. IMO.
That’s all I’m saying.
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