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  • Jeremy Garchow

    November 28, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    [Steve Connor] “Doesn’t the tilde key modifier show that Apple CAN change the core model? the tilde key effectively locks any connected clips in time and breaks the connection, albeit temporarily. If Apple were to change this from a modifier key to a mode and the tilde key modifier shows that this would be easy for them, then that would enable fixed secondaries that aren’t connected. That seems like it would be a change to the core model?”

    Even without the tilde, there’s a lot less disappearing of connected clips when trimming, a definite change in the “core model”.

    Audio components are a huge change in the “core model”.

    Compound clips have changed completely. While it might be seen as a “bug fix” by some, they are completely reworked and have changed the fundamental way in which they operate and have therefore changed the “model”. They weren’t simply fixed, they were reinvented.

    I have few problems with the magnetic timeline as a concept, it just needs to be pushed further. There are still some things that are simply impossible, like muting video only with one click.

  • Oliver Peters

    November 28, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    [Jeremy Garchow] “it just needs to be pushed further”

    Out the door? 😉

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • Steve Connor

    November 28, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “Out the door? ;-)”

    If anything it was pushed out the door too quickly

    Steve Connor
    ‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure”

  • Jeremy Garchow

    November 28, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Yes.

    It could stand to go eat some glass in the real world.

  • Chris Harlan

    November 28, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “[Jeremy Garchow] “it just needs to be pushed further”

    Out the door? 😉

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    https://www.oliverpeters.com

    AND HE SCORES!

  • David Lawrence

    November 28, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    [Steve Connor] “Doesn’t the tilde key modifier show that Apple CAN change the core model? the tilde key effectively locks any connected clips in time and breaks the connection, albeit temporarily. If Apple were to change this from a modifier key to a mode and the tilde key modifier shows that this would be easy for them, then that would enable fixed secondaries that aren’t connected. That seems like it would be a change to the core model?”

    Maybe I’m thinking a bit too meta or we’re getting into semantics but I see that as a new feature, rather than a fundamental change in the core model. It’s a step in the right direction but still doesn’t go far enough.

    I was excited when the tilde key modifier was announced, but disappointed that it only affects connections on the primary clip you’re moving. They need an additional tilde modifier that turns off all connections if so desired. For example, this would be useful if you wanted to swap two clips on the primary without affecting anything in the secondary. In FCP7, swap edits take a single modifier key. I’d like it to be just as easy in FCPX. Is there an easy way to do this now? Am I missing something? If so, please let me know.

    To me, the core editorial model is the hierarchal, A/B clip relationship paradigm that’s defined the timeline since 10.0.0. Each new release has built on that model, but I don’t think they’ve changed it. Everything still must spike to V1. Maybe new features will eventually add enough flexibility that it won’t matter and the timeline will work for editors like me. I don’t know. I’m open to being surprised, but I’m not counting on it and I’m not holding my breath.

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  • Steve Connor

    November 28, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    [David Lawrence] “To me, the core editorial model is the hierarchal, A/B clip relationship paradigm that’s defined the timeline since 10.0.0. Each new release has built on that model, but I don’t think they’ve changed it. Everything still must spike to V1. Maybe new features will eventually add enough flexibility that it won’t matter and the timeline will work for editors like me. I don’t know. I’m open to being surprised, but I’m not counting on it and I’m not holding my breath.

    Don’t get me wrong, I hope they don’t change it for Editors like you. PPro and Avid are out there and for most people moving from FCP7 one of these will work, what I’m saying is they seem to be open to change and that tilde key could be a precursor to a mode where everything doesn’t refer back to the primary.

    Steve Connor
    ‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure”

  • David Lawrence

    November 28, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    [Steve Connor] “Don’t get me wrong, I hope they don’t change it for Editors like you. PPro and Avid are out there and for most people moving from FCP7 one of these will work, what I’m saying is they seem to be open to change and that tilde key could be a precursor to a mode where everything doesn’t refer back to the primary.”

    I actually agree with you. I’m pretty happy with my other options — FCPX doesn’t need to become like them. I’m more interested in seeing how far it can evolve beyond the limitations of the current model on its own terms.

    _______________________
    David Lawrence
    art~media~design~research
    propaganda.com
    publicmattersgroup.com
    facebook.com/dlawrence
    twitter.com/dhl

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