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  • FCP and Sony Z7U workflow

    Posted by Daisuke Kinouchi on May 18, 2010 at 1:55 am

    I have recently acquired Sony Z7U with MRC1 unit so I can record to CF card and the tape at the same time. I’ll be editing on FCP 7. As for workflow, I was thinking of offline edit on HDV captured from CF Card, then online them from the tape but up-res in Apple Prores.

    Here are question.
    1. does my planned workflow make sense?
    2. Right now I am using Firewire 400 directly from camera when I capture the tape. How does is compare with HDMI?
    3. How do I batch capture clips, which were originally from CF Card, from the tape? From my understanding, timecode on CF card conforms the timecode on the tape. Right now in FCP, with firewire connected to camera without CF card reader attached, when I highlight the clips from CF card and go to batch capture, it opens up Log and Transfer window and looks for the CF card instead of Log and Capture window as I was hoping. Is there extra steps to accomplish this? Do I need to connect through HDMI?
    4. Or what is your suggestion for the workflow to get out of HDV format as quickly as possible in post?

    Daisuke Kinouchi replied 15 years, 11 months ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
  • 8 Replies
  • Michael Gissing

    May 18, 2010 at 2:31 am

    The price of big fast drives means that it will cost more in time and grief going HDV then recapture> ProRes. Just ingest as ProRes from the files and put the tapes aside as a backup to the files.

  • Daisuke Kinouchi

    May 18, 2010 at 3:15 am

    Thanks for reply. One thing I forgot to mention was that, from what I read, if video was shot in HDV, HVR-MRC1 won’t ingest video other than HDV unless shot in 24A mode, and I was planning on shooting in 60i for the reality show project for webs. Or is there a way to ingest in Apple ProRes?

    Also, I’d still like to know how to re-capture CF card clips from the tapes, and reconnect media in FCP timeline, in the unlikely but possible event where all the drives fail for whatever the reason and need to go back to tapes.

  • Michael Gissing

    May 18, 2010 at 3:56 am

    People transcode from HDV to ProRes all the time. I don’t think frame rate makes any difference. If it is from tape, the ProRes convert on the fly looses the source timecode so would not be a good choice for what you want.

    You may be able to transcode and keep timecode with Log & Transfer from the files or other third party software but I don not know for sure.

  • Craig Alan

    May 18, 2010 at 8:47 am

    https://www.aja.com/products/ki-pro/

    OSX 10.5.7; MAC Book PRO (EARLY 2008); Camcorders: Sony Z7U, Canon HV30, Sony vx2000/PD170, Canon xl2; Pana, Sony, and Canon consumer cams; FCP certified; write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.

  • Daisuke Kinouchi

    May 18, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    AJA Ki Pro looks good except the price is out of our reach for our low-budget production, and may become a bit too much for the reality show where I and the other camera person will be shooting handheld chasing around actions all day long.

    Sounds like what I need is to be able to transcode files to Apple Prores right off the CF Card reader, without expensive equipment, whether purchase or rental. Is there a way within Z7U, or an equipment/ software in $300 to $500 range that transcodes HDV format to Apple Prores while ingesting off CF card?

    How about ingesting in HDV format and up-res to Apple Prores using Compressor before editing? Is it the next best thing I can do if I can’t afford additional and expensive software/ equipment?

  • Craig Alan

    May 19, 2010 at 4:30 am

    It’s pricey but remember that it is recording directly into prores which means a much higher quality than HDV and ready to edit. It can be mounted under the cam. You can also use it to copy directly into its HD without a computer.

    the cheapest way is to let FCP do it when you capture the footage into FCP.

    OSX 10.5.7; MAC Book PRO (EARLY 2008); Camcorders: Sony Z7U, Canon HV30, Sony vx2000/PD170, Canon xl2; Pana, Sony, and Canon consumer cams; FCP certified; write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.

  • Bernat Aragones

    May 20, 2010 at 2:37 am

    i believe clipwrap.com is what you need

  • Daisuke Kinouchi

    May 21, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Whoa, this Clipwrap thing seems to be just what I needed. I was thinking of MPEG Streamclip to do straight m2t to Apple Prores instead of Log and Transfer in FCP, but MPEG Streamclip doesn’t carry over the original timecode. On the other hand, Clipwarp does! This works for me for various reasons.

    1. I’m on low budget production.
    2. The show will be shot while we are on the road non stop for 2 month and because of schedule we need to start offline editing while we are still on the road but can’t afford too many drives to bring with me.
    3. The primary outlet for this show is webcasting, so this might just be more than good enough.

    i haven’t found many reviews on this softeware, but I tested and it does what it says it does. I’m excited about this. Thanks alot!

    There is a downside in my planed workflow. Timecode on CF card files and the tape is few frames off, so in any event that I lose all backup files and need to go back to the tape, the FCP sequence needs to be tweaked after batch capture. But what’s the chance that will happen anyway.

    Oh, and ClipWrap is in Apple Download site. How could I have missed it.

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