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FCP 5: Can you monitor NTSC while editing HDV?
At NAB, all the FCP demo stations were displaying the output on plasma screens using a Kona card, I believe. I asked whether the card was required for this, or could you output through the firewire and into a deck, and then out of the deck to a monitor, like you do for DV editing. I asked several Apple reps as well as people at Sony, and the answers varied from, “No, you absolutely cannot.” to “Yes, I’ve done it myself.” I don’t particularly want to invest in a $2500 card to be able to monitor an NTSC output while I edit. Does anyone know the correct answer to this question?
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You do not need the Kona or Blackmagic card to display your work. You can output the component signal from your HDV camera to a component monitor. You can also downconvert the HDV to DV or you can output just DV via firewire.
The Kona and Blackmagic HD cards will give you the highest quality output. Both for viewing and video output.
Personally, if I was shooting and editing HDV or DVCProHD, I would choose the Kona HD card.
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My understanding was that from monitor output you had to have a card. The GOP structure isn’t correct in the edited sequence until it’s conformed, and the camera doesn’t recognize so you can’t pass through it. That’s what I was told by a number of people.
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really? that’s a drag.
do you think that holds for the Sony HDV deck (HVR-M10U.. how can i ever remember that?!)this is a good topic for the lafcpug FCP5 nite.
nick
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You do not need the Kona or Blackmagic card to display your work. You can output the component signal from your HDV camera to a component monitor. You can also downconvert the HDV to DV or you can output just DV via firewire < I>
Incorrect Steve -The native HDV content will NOT playout an HD signal to a monitor without rendering if you do not currently use a Kona2 Card. While I am sure that BMD may have this working by the time FCP5 ships, at the show all realtime playback of HDV Native content was only being shown via the Kona2 Card. What good is working in HD if you cannot view it in High Def in realtime. ( down-converting to DV is not a option it is a kluge -frame delays and audio sync issues abound)
gary adcock
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HD and Film Consultation
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That’s my understanding as well Tom. People really need to accept that HDV isn’t like all the other formats. The introduction of MPEG-2 compression changes everything and makes it neither fish nor fowl. I see people railing about it’s compromises… hey the whole format is one big compromise, which is why many people remain unconvinced.
I spent three months with the first iteration, and in spite of the Sony and second JVC entries, HDV as a format hasn’t changed. One, they always hook the cameras directly to monitors. Damn it looks great. Now record and then playback from tape… damn it looks different. Then there’s the editing… dropouts are a whole new thing… not just sparkles. Rapid movement introduces artifacting in speeds other than 24p. On the fly compression has its challenges, as do realtime monitoring.
Will all this improve in time. Maybe? One certainly hopes so. The question is will it be moot at that point? Will something better like the real HD of the Panasonic come along and make the HDV (high definition DV) format a footnote in history? Maybe.
As the Chinese say… may you live in interesting times… I think we’re there!
Mitch Ives
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That’s my understanding as well Tom. People really need to accept that HDV isn’t like all the other formats. The introduction of MPEG-2 compression changes everything and makes it neither fish nor fowl. I see people railing about it’s compromises… hey the whole format is one big compromise, which is why many people remain unconvinced.
I spent three months with the first iteration, and in spite of the Sony and second JVC entries, HDV as a format hasn’t changed. One, they always hook the cameras directly to monitors. Damn it looks great. Now record and then playback from tape… damn it looks different. Then there’s the editing… dropouts are a whole new thing… not just sparkles. Rapid movement introduces artifacting in speeds other than 24p. On the fly compression has its challenges, as do realtime monitoring.
Will all this improve in time. Maybe? One certainly hopes so. The question is will it be moot at that point? Will something better like the real HD of the Panasonic come along and make the HDV (high definition DV) format a footnote in history? Maybe.
As the Chinese say… may you live in interesting times… I think we’re there!
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com
http://www.insightproductions.com
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