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EXTREMELY URGENT (at least for me)
Posted by David Eells on May 11, 2007 at 10:04 pmI’ll be brief. I’m in the middle of a long doc that was shot using DVCPro HD 720p 24, and captured via FireWire. We need to incorporate some DBeta footage, and Production Services hasn’t been able to make SDI work correctly with the BM card. So the thinking is to replace the card in mid-doc and use a KONA 3.
I think I’m hosed.
Any advice? Soothing words? Decent hard liquor?
Jeremy Garchow replied 18 years, 12 months ago 16 Members · 50 Replies -
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David Battistella
May 11, 2007 at 10:29 pmIf you captured via firewire then you are not hosed at all. That media is easliy transferable and can be read by the Kona card. The Kona 3 will handle the upconvert from D_beta (you’ll just have to create an easy setup).
This should be relatively painless, but you should back everything up first.
David
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Walter Biscardi
May 11, 2007 at 10:46 pm[Budrick21] ”
I think I’m hosed.”Nope, you’re in perfect shape with the Kona 3. It actually works and you’ll be able to upconvert the DigiBeta material just fine.
One thing there though, you say the DVCPro HD is 24 and of course your DBeta will be 29.97 so you’ll have a frame rate mismatch there. One thing I would suggest is simply bringing in all the DVCPro HD material as 59.94 and it will all match up. You’ll still get the 24p style, but your frame rates will match.
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David Eells
May 11, 2007 at 10:55 pmUnfortunately, the DVCPro HD footage (100 hours or so) is already captured. Is there something eles I need to to with this new footage? By the way, I just found out it’s BetaSP, not DBeta.
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Walter Biscardi
May 11, 2007 at 10:59 pm[Budrick21] “Unfortunately, the DVCPro HD footage (100 hours or so) is already captured. Is there something eles I need to to with this new footage? By the way, I just found out it’s BetaSP, not DBeta.”
Then go ahead and capture the BetaSP material like normal. Now you have two choices.
1 – just go ahead and edit with it as is and simply render each clip as you go along. Then when your project is finished, you go back and convert just those clips you used to 23.98 probably using Compressor.
2 – You do the capture, but convert everything first to 23.98 before editing anything into the timeline.
Really depends on how much BetaSP material you have and how fast your machine is. The faster your machine, the quicker it will render. I generally do the first option with all my SD / HD combination editing but I’ve only had about 40 hours HD max and maybe 20 minutes of SD max in any one combination project.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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HD Editorial & Animation for Broadcast and independent productions.All Things Apple Podcast! https://cowcast.creativecow.net/all_things_apple/index.html
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David Eells
May 11, 2007 at 11:09 pmThanks for you help Walter. I don’t know how much Beta footage is coming, but it’s at least two hours and could be much more. I think upconverting on capture is the way to go. If there is any rendering necessary, blood will be shed, and it will be mine.
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Walter Biscardi
May 11, 2007 at 11:12 pm[Budrick21] ”
Thanks for you help Walter. I don’t know how much Beta footage is coming, but it’s at least two hours and could be much more. I think upconverting on capture is the way to go. I”Definitely Upconvert on the way in, it’s just the frame rate that will need conversion later. Sorry, I should have been more clear on that.
If you need help setting up the Upconvert let us know. You actually set this up in the AJA Control Panel. You set up FCP for what you want to capture, say DVCPro HD 720/60 (to match the original frame rate from SD), but then in the AJA Control Panel, you set that up to upconvert the SD to HD on the way in.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Broadcast and independent productions.All Things Apple Podcast! https://cowcast.creativecow.net/all_things_apple/index.html
Read my blog! https://blogs.creativecow.net/WalterBiscardi
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David Eells
May 11, 2007 at 11:31 pmThanks. I just got off the phone with Jerry at AJA. He thought the upconversion could be done to match our footage, but then he tried it and found he couldn’t. Anything else I should know about incorporating SD footage into HD?
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Bob Zelin
May 12, 2007 at 12:04 amAnything else I should know about incorporating SD footage into HD?
REPLY – yes, NEVER work in 23.98 ever again. You are in the television business, and like everyone else, you must deal with 29.97 footage – it’s a fact of life. Your DVCProHD VTR can output your 23.98 material at 59.94 (a normal frame rate for standard def upconverts). Had you done this (done your job at 59.94, and not 23.98), you would have had ZERO problems. But now, you will be in render hell (or you will recapture your entire project).
Make believe 23.98 doesn’t even exist (unless you are the DP). Learn how to set all Sony and Panasonic VTRs to do the 2:3 pulldown, so you can always capture at 59.94.
Bob Zelin
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Bob Zelin
May 12, 2007 at 12:07 amI just saw your post on the Blackmagic forum about this issue. Your “production services” department has never used a Blackmagic product, and they have never used an AJA product either ???? What kind of production services department are you dealing with ? I am not sure what kind of miracle you are looking for on these forums, but if you have no technical support to assist you with this in the middle of your project, I feel for you.
Bob Zelin
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