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exporting video from fcp into squeeze only audio ?
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If you want anything more specific than that, you’re going to need to tell us what software you’re using.
In What program are you capturing the video off your camera?
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duh – the subject says FCP….
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Arty is working with FCP – a Mac only product, as such I’ve assumed that he’s working on a Mac.
While you obviously lose quality everytime you (re-)compress, Arty is working with (heavily compressed) HDV material, in this case probably at 19.7Mbit/s (720p). Exporting to uncompressed or Animation rockets that datarate upto around 848Mbit/s (8 bit).
It’s also a very slow process.
Obviously working with that uncompressed material in realtime would be much much harder (if at all possible) and any transcoding from it will required much more resource.Maybe your definition of ‘uncompressed’ is different from mine?
PhotoJPEG at 75% (or above) is as good as anybody would need in this instance.
Episode is more professional simply because of the range of formats and codecs it supports as well as some very sophisticated and high quality pre-processing, Squeeze doesn’t come close with its preprocessing options. Episode also has the option of Episode Engine which takes it firmly into the enterprise space.
I’ve used pretty well all the transcoding applications out there and Episode is up there with the best. Squeeze is prefect for those who only work with a small handful of formats and don’t necessarly want or need to get their hands ‘under the bonnet’. -
[Daniel Low] “Arty is working with FCP – a Mac only product, as such I’ve assumed that he’s working on a Mac.”
Like I said – Duh. I was seeing the forest instead of the individual tree there. Sorry.
[Daniel Low] “Obviously working with that uncompressed material in realtime would be much much harder (if at all possible) and any transcoding from it will required much more resource.”
That’s true, but you will lose quality. Video keyframes can end up in the wrong place which means the keyframe is based off what was previously an interim keyframe and now there is major degradation.
[Daniel Low] “Maybe your definition of ‘uncompressed’ is different from mine?”
I actually said: “Make sure to use uncompressed video or a lossless or near lossless codecl – quicktime with animation compression is a great example of that.”
I’ve had animation compressed video be smaller than Sorenson compressed video. It depends on the footage. If you have a lossless or near lossless codec that gets the job done, use it.
[Daniel Low] “Episode is more professional simply because of the range of formats and codecs it supports as well as some very sophisticated and high quality pre-processing, Squeeze doesn’t come close with its preprocessing options.”
I’m assuming you’ve gone into the advanced settings then, and played with those. There are a butt load of pre-processing options that the average user never sees (and shouldn’t, considering most people don’t understand them).
[Daniel Low] “I’ve used pretty well all the transcoding applications out there and Episode is up there with the best.”
Not being mac based, and not having seen the software, I will take your word for it. It does make me think seriously about getting a mac though. When you say up there with the best, what other software do you lump in with that?
Aharon Rabinowitz
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Aharon:
“That’s true, but you will lose quality. Video keyframes can end up in the wrong place which means the keyframe is based off what was previously an interim keyframe and now there is major degradation.”HDV is LongGOP, I didn’t realise that all these ‘uncompressed’or lossless CODECs were too!?!! 😉
The only way to avoid the keyframe ‘issue’ you are referring to is to use a codec that doesn’t use any temporal compression. The Apple Intermediate Codec fits the bill, but seeing as you haven’t any experience of Mac you probably wouldn’t know about it, otherwise you might have recommended it in the first place.Aharon:
“I’ve had animation compressed video be smaller than Sorenson compressed video. It depends on the footage. If you have a lossless or near lossless codec that gets the job done, use it.”Wow! – I started working with Quicktime about 16 years ago and have always* used the Animation codec for 2d material with a tendency for large areas of flat colour, i.e. animation! (* I did go through a phase of using it for green-screen material). (Apple are pretty good at naming their codecs for the job they were designed for).
Whatever, I’ve never seen a movie compressed with the Animation codec be smaller than one compressed with the Sorenson codec, although I guess it may be possible if the material is of a stationary white cat in a snow blizzard or a black cat down a coal mine at midnight and/or you’ve totally screwed your Sorenson settings!
Sure, go for your big uncompressed i-frame only format if you have the luxury of huge amounts of storage and can afford to waste large amounts of time.Aharon:
“I’m assuming you’ve gone into the advanced settings then, and played with those.”Err, well, yes. That’s my job and I would never consider Squeeze an option in my professional capacity, although I’d recommend it to my mum to use for her holiday videos ;-). We were referring to why Episode is more professional than Squeeze were we not? Episode has adavanced settings where Squeeze does not, as such, Squeeze is not a pro app.
Aharon:
“Not being mac based, and not having seen the software, I will take your word for it. It does make me think seriously about getting a mac though. When you say up there with the best, what other software do you lump in with that? “Seriously, how can you consider yourself an authority on the subjects of compression and transcoding if you have such limited experience?
I’ve reached my opinion of Episode after using it and its predecessor Compression Master, in anger, and in a professionl capacity, comparing the results with output from the likes of everything from Procoder, CarbonCoder, Compressor, FFMPEG, KulaByte etc, to the likes of Anystream, FlipFactory, Digital Rapids, Tandberg and so on. -
[Daniel Low] “eriously, how can you consider yourself an authority on the subjects of compression and transcoding if you have such limited experience?”
That’s a very fair question. You know, it’s funny, on the subject of compression, I really don’t. Not after having spent a month and half talking to true experts (explained below). I consider myself knowledgeable on the subject of video for the web, and I stand by that.
I made a DVD on video compression that answers the questions that every video artists should know if they want to put their video on the web. I didn’t make a video that would teach everything there was to know about compression. I’ve never claimed to have done that. It would be a boring as hell 10-DVD set, I think.
And before you ask me: “how can you even make a DVD on video compression for the web if you aren’t an expert?” – I didn’t rely on my own expertise. I spent 8 hours a day, for 6 weeks, on the phone with engineers and developers from Adobe, Apple, Sorenson, Techsmith, On2 and several other companies, and read tech doc after tech doc to make sure I familiarized myself with the task at hand (and one I have to do every day): Teaching video artists to put their material on the web.
After having shown the DVD to said experts for review, they have all told me it’s a good DVD that answers the proposed questions correctly, and presents the material in an entertaining and non-intimidating fashion.
I’m sure there are true experts out there who really understand this stuff at an almost quantum level, but most don’t have the ability to explain it in a way that joe average video guy (like me) can understand.
As a practical user of the product he was having an issue with, I answered Arty’s question, which I do here almost every day. That’s why my head is at the top. Not because I’m claiming to be an “expert.”
Aharon Rabinowitz
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All Bets Are Off Productions, Inc.
Creative Cow After Effect Podcast
Internet Killed the Video Star: A Guide to Creating Video for the Web -
Aharon,
Sorry, my last post may have been unresonably harsh.
Congrats on the DVD, it must have been quite an undertaking. I know, I was approached to write a book on transcoding several years ago but after creating an outline I realised that it was going to be a mammoth task that would consume more of my life than I was willing to sacrifice at the time, and the money on offer wasn’t great either!
You say your name is at the top because you answer questions here on a daily basis, funny, I’ve been doing the same for many many years under a number of different names (the archive search shows one of my early posts from 2001!) and yet I’ve never had my name at the top, and I’ve never been asked to put it there.
I guess you need to know the right people to get your face up top! -
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sorry i started this little war of compression !
that wasn’t my intention…
i have found both of you quite helpful…
in the end the only thing i could really do anyway was trial and error until i got it right !!!i think the most important thing i always go by is whatever program you use…learn it…live it and use it all the time.
although i never heard of episode so i’m gonna give that a shot !!!
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I would even go so far as to say some misunderstandings compounded by my not reading carefully.
Understand that I see the animation codec come through all the time because I work in animation – A lot of flat BG’s with 1 or 2 colors of text. Not exciting, I know. That’s what I was referring to when I said that it can come in smaller than sorenson. It is NOT appropriate for filmed video.
Arty – I wasn’t taking your platform or source into account – other than to note that Squeeze couldn’t read it properly. That was completely my fault. I should NOT read these things when on vacation, because my mind is on the beach.
FWIW, Dan, I see that your posts here at the COW have been very helpful, and you are obviously a knowledgeable guy. Your contributions are greatly appreciated.
Again, what applications do you consider akin to episode?
Aharon Rabinowitz
Email: arabinowitz (AT) yahoo (DOT) com
All Bets Are Off Productions, Inc.
Creative Cow After Effect Podcast
Internet Killed the Video Star: A Guide to Creating Video for the Web
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