Exporting in uncompressed 8 bit PAL, it cuts a minute off the film every time

[Steve Eisen]

I have.

Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
Vice President
Chicago Creative Pro Users Group

[Shari Due]

Great. I’m using it now–5 hours to render, then we’ll see. Thanks.

Shari

[Neil Patience]

Hi Shari

Yes I forgot to mention that the render was going to be a while. You can export an “uncompressed” Quicktime but as you rightly point out its already compressed but there is nothing you can do about that so you can only do what you can do.
As you say, live and learn but you are no means alone. The proliferation of formats, codecs and frame sizes has lead to it being much easier to make a mistake especially as often you need to end up with a variety of formats.
Hope it works out – happy rendering 🙂

best wishes
Neil
http://www.patience.tv

[Nick Meyers]

i would have edited in an HD timeline that matched the footage.

less rendering, faster exports, looks better, and is future-proof.

now you have reduced the frame size to NTSC standards, and are now blowing it up slightly to PAL standards.

so, Edit in the native format,
export,
convert to NTSC for NTSC markets
re-imort and apply Nattress for PAL markets

OR an alternative to Nattress

conform your 24fps export to 25fp in Cinema Tools, then export if to PAL.
your show would play a tiny bit faster. you WOULD be a minute shorter, but your WOULDN’T loose any frames.

this wont work for everyone.

working in Prores would be just as effective as uncompressed.

nick

[Neil Patience]

Actually the Cinema tools option suggested by Nick is a good one and may be worth a try. There will be no artefacts on the pictures, that will be nice and smooth. However you would need to speed up the audio by about 4% (I think) in order for it to sync. My maths is so rubbish.
To do this export a self contained Quicktime of your final master. Use Cinema Tools to conform it from 24 to 25 – that will take moments no rendering.
Then start a PAL project and import your conformed Quicktime. Thats the really easy bit.
Then use Soundtrack Pro to speed up the audio by 4%

Hopefully there is nothing in the audio that really notices, its quite a small change.

I would be tempted to give that a shot you may find it better quality than using the plug in. The speed change is inevitable of course.

best wishes
Neil
http://www.patience.tv

[Nick Meyers]

if the audio is part of the exported file, then it will be sped up along with the picture.

there will be a corresponding rise in pitch,
which you can either live with, or try to correct.

FCP & Soundtrack Pro have pitch correction tools,
STP’s maybe better than FCP, i don’t know.
but i do know that neither of them are very good compared to what a true professional audio tool could do.

nick

[Neil Patience]

Thanks Nick of course it is, I am so used to using it with material without audio I totally forgot that point.

DOH!

best wishes
Neil
http://www.patience.tv