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  • EX1R colors and white balance problem

    Posted by Rawad Rhayem on August 30, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    I just bought a brand new EX1R from B&H and i shot a wedding with it. exposure was set to 0 in the TLCS menu and the White balance was set to manual. After importing the footage to Final Cut X, looks like the camera was overexposing and the skin tone is overexposed. The colors are horrible and so pale. The iris was on automatic but i used a Z7u and NX5u before and never had an overxposing problem before. The white balance was set manually but the ballroom had the lights changing so the white balance came out toooo yellowish and even when set to auto white balance the camera did a horrible job. I bought this camera after a lot of research thinking it’s going to offer the best picture but i’m very disappointed. I tried to look for a good profile picture but all the ones posted online are for specific situation and not gun and run situation . Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is my first time here and this is my first post

    Bob Tompkins replied 13 years, 8 months ago 9 Members · 23 Replies
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  • John Young

    August 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Welcome Rawad.
    Auto settings can sometimes be a gamble. I shoot a lot of EX-1 and sometimes use auto-iris (mostly to calibrate the shot, then switch back to manual iris), but very rarely use auto focus, almost never use auto white balance.
    I would suspect that your trouble might be somewhere in the way the camera was applying the auto settings, butI would want to know some more information about your footage. It sounds like you are indoors. Is that right? What lighting conditions are you dealing with?
    Any chance you can show us a still frame of the problem footage?

    John

  • Rawad Rhayem

    August 30, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    yes i was shooting indoors, The lights were dimmed and we had a lowell on camera light. i will upload a still as soon as i get to my computer

  • Ronnie Martin

    August 30, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    I have shot many hundreds of hours with the Sony Ex family of cameras. The Ex-1, ex-1r, ex-3, and 320 and have never shot anythong on auto. I have used the push auto iris and push auto focus to get basic set up and then adjust acordingly. Most of the time I set my gain for that will allow f stops at 4.0 or 5.6. When out doors in the daytime I am usually at -3 or zero with gain. There have been times that I had to bump the gain up in low light situations to 9dB with the iris almost wide open and still got superb images with little or no noise. White balance is ususlly set up with warm cards and the picture profile I use is by Doug Jenson called Doug 1. I would recommend getting his dvd on the ex-1 with the ex-1r update. It is excellent and you will learn a lot about the camera from Doug.

    Ronnie Martin
    Kato Video Productions
    http://www.dirtracingvideo.com
    http://www.ramtv.tv

  • Rawad Rhayem

    August 30, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    I will look for the picture profile setting from Doug Jensen and hopefully that will fix the colors. But i meed to determine if my camera is defected or not when it comes to overexposing and that’s what i asked if any had the same problem but i guess everybody here uses manual Iris. I love the feedback and appreciate the time you take to write a reply

  • John Young

    August 31, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    If you are getting really bad overexposed shots, a picture profile isn’t going to solve that. I also highly doubt that your camera is defective, and that is what is causing the issue.
    It sounds like what you are looking for is an simple easy answer to your problem. But a hundred different things could be causing this problem. We are trying to help you out. Just give us some more info and we might be better able to do that.

    Thanks,
    John

  • Michael Slowe

    August 31, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Rawad, I endorse what has been written here about this camera, I’ve now shot four documentaries on my EX 1 in varied circumstances and found it produces great quality pictures (and audio). I tend to rely on the picture shown on the side screen when setting exposure and find it to be very accurate. I have not altered any settings for the screen since I got the camera new. Surely you are looking at the screen, did it show over exposure? Also, I often set my colour temperature (Kelvin figure) by looking at the screen and I have a number of Kelvin settings in various Picture Profiles, but the best way is to do a manual ‘white card’ balance if you have time.

    Did you notice zebra markings on your screen which should have warned of over exposure? If you have to use manual iris due to lack of time when in ‘run & gun’ mode I find it to be pretty accurate but, as others have written, it’s best to set iris manually, but look at your screen and try and get a good picture, that will be your best indication of what you’ll get on your video.

    Michael Slowe

  • Rawad Rhayem

    September 1, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    ok i uploaded a picture from my footage. The walls in the background are overexposed even though the lights were not that high in the ballroom. The skin tone is overexposed as well …. not sure how clear this image is. Another question, i need some recommendations on the shutter thing… Do i leave it automatic or should i shut it off and set it manually? I shut it off and have it set to 1/100 but another videographer has it 1/60 …can someone explain all this to me please.

  • Don Greening

    September 1, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    [Rawad Rhayem] “I shut it off and have it set to 1/100 but another videographer has it 1/60 …can someone explain all this to me please.

    It’s generally accepted that to start with, the shutter speed is set to double the frame rate. For example:

    • if your shooting format is 1080i 59.94 (60i) then shutter is set to 60 fps.
    • if your shooting format is 1080p 29.97 (30p) then shutter is still set to 60 fps
    • if your shooting format is 1080p 23.98 (24p) then shutter is set to 48 fps and so on.

    The lower the shutter speed the brighter your picture will be because there’s more time for the light to hit the imagers. This means that setting the shutter speed higher is also another way to darken the image in addition to adjusting the iris. If you’re shooting with electrical lighting it’s also a good idea to increase the shutter speed in multiples of your frame rate to avoid any rolling shutter or light pulsing issues.

    – Don

    Don Greening
    A Vancouver Video Production Company
    Reeltime Videoworks
    http://www.reeltimevideoworks.com

  • Rawad Rhayem

    September 1, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Thank you Don. I will keep shooting 1/100 shutter speed since i shoot weddings and a lot of movement. Maybe 1/60 indoors when the light situation is so low.

  • Rawad Rhayem

    September 1, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    btw, i shoot 1920 * 1080i

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