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EDL p2 Card Questions
Hi,
we are on a project where will be finishing in FCP. The offline editor will unfortunately only work in an avid, so I need to do an EDL or XML or ??? I guess my question is what is the most direct route to getting footage from an AVid project into a FCP project when working on the P2 system.
I did a simple test today where I output an EDL from FCP, then tried to bring it in. The EDL comes in, and looks normal. What I don’t see is how to batch capture the footage from the P2 files. Is this not possble? or am I overlooking the obvious.
THANKS in advance,
C
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Hmmm…that is a tough one. Never faced this before. But, as long as you have the original MXF files in the original structure (COntents folder, lastclip.txt file) this should theoretically work. I know that if you imported on an FCP system that a batch capture would work fine. But I also know that the Avid only requires the VIDEO and AUDIO folders in order for the Avid to work with the footage, so the original file structure might not have been kept. But all you have to do is highlight the clips and hit Batch Capture…or highlight the sequence and hit Batch Capture.
But I am blind to all this so I can’t give the best advice.
Test it. TEST test test test. You MUST make sure this will work before leaping into editing only to find that it won’t work. I have seen many disasters where people just leap into workflows that end up not working and weeks are spent trying to fix things. Deadlines missed. Never proceed without a known proven workflow. If this is a new workflow, this means testing it.
Why MUST the editor use Avid? Why MUST you online on FCP?
There are all Avid workflows and all FCP workflows that work fine.Shane
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dunno if this is possible without some serious XML tricks.
P2 does not seem to have reelnames, and that’s the very basic of EDL’s.
Now you also cannot ‘batch dig’ from P2, so you have to import and link. And that is FCP’s weak side.My option would be to import the clips in FCP, reset TC per clip to start TC 00, add a reelname per clip, bring those clips as QT’s to Avid, import them (they get a 00 TC if the sequence time is set to that), export as EDL and go from there.
You probably then have to import the EDL, do some XML stuff and you ‘should’ be there.But this is pure theory….
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[Bouke Vahl] “P2 does not seem to have reelnames, and that’s the very basic of EDL’s.”
It can, if you do things right. When I copy the P2 off of the cards, I put them into separate folders. When you import the P2 cards, those folders are the reel names. Because those folders are in essence the source tapes.
[Bouke Vahl] “Now you also cannot ‘batch dig’ from P2, so you have to import and link. And that is FCP’s weak side.”
Sorry, that is incorrect. You can most definately Batch Capture P2 files. This is what you do if you happen to delete footage by mistake, or a drive fails, or you revisit an older project.
I go over all of this in my P2 tutorial.
[Bouke Vahl] “My option would be to import the clips in FCP, reset TC per clip to start TC 00, add a reelname per clip, bring those clips as QT’s to Avid, import them (they get a 00 TC if the sequence time is set to that), export as EDL and go from there.”
I disagree. The Avid will not see the imported quicktimes. Only computers with FCP installed have the DVCPRO HD codecs. The only way I can see to go cross platform is to dump the P2 to tape, and then capture it that so you have TC and one tape. But that really eliminates the beauty of P2…quick injest and no need to rent an expensive DVCPRO HD deck.
When you introduce P2 into your production, or any tapeless format (EX1, RED), then you really need to stick to one editing platform. Especially when it comes to Avid and FCP, since the deal with P2 in very different ways.
The more simple the process, the less headaches. Try not to complicate things.
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[Shane Ross] “It can, if you do things right”
Hmmm. Not in Avid afaik. (But of course you can set a reelname manually)
[Shane Ross] “The Avid will not see the imported quicktimes.”
Nope, not if they are native. But a transocded clip is needed anywas, as Avid seems not to work ‘native’ with P2 clips. (It’s kind of a mystery to me what really happens)
[Shane Ross] “The more simple the process, the less headaches”
I totally agree. Even better, do not use Avid for P2
But, having done a hefty 1 (one) P2 job in Avid, i’m not really experienced. But since i was unable to import 5% of my footage, it really, really sucks. (I have not lost 5% of my footage since Hi-8 in a lineair bay)Bouke
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[Bouke Vahl] ”
Hmmm. Not in Avid afaik. (But of course you can set a reelname manually)”Thus this is not a wise decision to mix NLEs when it comes to P2 footage. Choose one platform, and stay with that platform. Tapeless workflows are far different than tape based ones, where you can cross editing platforms.
[Bouke Vahl] “Even better, do not use Avid for P2”
Well, that I have to disagree with. There are several very viable workflows with P2 and Avid. Many many news stations across the globe use P2 and Avids. On the last show I worked on, we were on Avid Adrenalines and utilized P2 as B-camera. You can use Adobe Premiere with P2…and Edius….and Vegas…
It works, but just not cross platform.
Shane
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Maybe this is a dumb way to do things, but what I do is work in quick time instaed of P2. I view the clips in quick time and I give them a new name describing the clip very shortly. But this way every clip has a name and when I import them into FCP they already have that name
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In FCP 5.1.1 and up, you can name the clips in the Log and Transfer window (P2 Import for 5.1.1). You can mark IN and OUT too.
Your way works too…just saying. This way FCP remembers the names and can batch capture.
Shane
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Yes I know the ‘log and transfer’ way. What I’m unsure about is what is the best way if I have to keep the original files anyway.
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