Editing Varicam and HVX 200 with HDV clips

[Shane Ross]

[DONPDM] “1. How ahould I handle the timeline as I want a 720 HD master of each show I deliver SD digibeta??”

Since DVCPRO HD 720p is Non-Drop frame, and you will need to deliver a drop frame Digibeta, you need to adjust your timing to match the DROP FRAME master. I go into a bit of detail on how I did it here:

https://lfhd.blogspot.com/2006/09/online-workflow-overview.html

But I output to HDCAM, and then downconverted. You will be outputting to digibeta using your card. The Kona LH can downconvert on the fly, but you will still need to adjust the timing on your timeline.

[DONPDM] “3. How to handle HDV 1080i in this senerio”

Get an HDV deck and capture it thru the Kona into the DVCPRO HD codec, 720p24. Then it will match perfectly.

720p24 24PN (HVX setting) at 23.98 is the setting that uses the less space and looks great. Matches the Varicam 24p (if it was shot 720p24 and not 720p60).

Shane

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[Mark Maness]

[Shane Ross] “Since DVCPRO HD 720p is Non-Drop frame, and you will need to deliver a drop frame Digibeta, you need to adjust your timing to match the DROP FRAME master. I go into a bit of detail on how I did it here:

” target=”_blank”>https://lfhd.blogspot.com/2006/09/online-workflow-overview.html”

Ok… I read it and it sounds plauseable…. BUT how do you convert your footage that is drop frame into non-drop frame? FCP will not let you drop a clip with drop frame timecode on a non-drop timeline. I am still missing this part. This has been an issue that I have dealt with. My only solution was to batch recompress all of the footage into DVCProHD 720 24p. I have only done this ONCE so if its wrong…. forgive me. I’m still learning this HD thing.

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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[Shane Ross]

[Wayne Carey] “BUT how do you convert your footage that is drop frame into non-drop frame?”

You don’t. You don’t need to. All drop and non-drop refer to is the TIMECODE….the numbers. The footage runs at 29.97 or 23.98 no matter what code you have. If you drop non-drop footage into a drop frame timeline, nothing happens. All it is is timing. Non-drop code assigns sequential numbers to each frame, and drop frame drops occasional numbers so that timing is precise with real time.

So, my DVCPRO HD timeline would ONLY ALLOW for non-drop code. It wouldn’t give me a drop frame timeline option, so I couldn’t get my show to exact time. So what I did was lay slug onto a 29.97 drop frame timeline until I got the exact timing I needed (the network wanted the digibeta to be to time, the HD master didn’t need to match that timing). Then I copied the slug into a non-drop timline until I figured out what time I needed to get my show to on a non-drop timelne so that when I output it to digibeta, it was properly timed.

Now, I didn’t do a direct output, I had the master downconverted at a dub house. I don’t know about outputting 720p24 to digibeta and what it will do. If I had a machine I’d test it, but they are spendy, even to rent…just to test.

[Wayne Carey] “FCP will not let you drop a clip with drop frame timecode on a non-drop timeline. “

Sure it will. I do it all the time. Every edit system allows this. Again, they are just numbers, not any actual difference in the speed of the footage.

I am STILL learning this HD thing…

Shane

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[Gary Adcock]

[Shane Ross] “So, my DVCPRO HD timeline would ONLY ALLOW for non-drop code. It wouldn’t give me a drop frame timeline option, so I couldn’t get my show to exact time.”

Shane

this is only true for 24 fps content and has nothing to do with the DVCPROHD compression- HDCAM content at 24 is also non drop.

Video content at 60 fields or 60 frames can be set for either.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Gary Adcock]

[DONPDM] “1. How ahould I handle the timeline as I want a 720 HD master of each show I deliver SD digibeta??”

the kona card will lay off to the beta Directly, but note that you may have some TC issues As shane has said there are some DF/ NDF issues- I nest my final rendered 24p file in a new 59.94 seq and adjust the timing.

[DONPDM] “3. How to handle HDV 1080i in this senerio”
depends on how much you have, The 1200 deck does have the ability to cross convert but your content will be interlaced rather than progressive. IF you only have a little bit your OK. if there is a lot it will be tougher.

[DONPDM] “4. When importing which Kona setting would be best and use least space?”

Stick to DVCPROHD 720p24 . it will simplify your issues down stream.

thanks for the kind words also.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Shane Ross]

[gary adcock] “this is only true for 24 fps content and has nothing to do with the DVCPROHD compression- HDCAM content at 24 is also non drop.”

I know. Since I was working with 23.98 footage in a 23.98 timeline…I had a NDF timeline only. DVCPRO HD 720p60 is drop frame.

Shane

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