Editing Sony TD10 MVC files in 10E

[Bruce Schultz]

Ok, the split screen was a product of the “split screen” button being in the ON position, toggling it to off fixed that issue. I was unaware of this feature.

I think the playback issue is one of an inadequate graphics card, so I’ll ask now for any CUDA card recommendations as I have seen that Vegas now seems to support them in this version.

[Hans Castrop]

Hi Bruce
before posting my questions/issues with Vegas I was looking through other peoples posts (like I should) and I think we are at the same stage of developing our skills with Sony Vegas.
I’d suggest you keep track of my questions I will post very soon.

First of all; me using the same camera and new to vegas as well, I can tell you some things you didn’t ask but need to know.
I’ve been testing and trying for some time now and found out that Neo3D is not the way to go… It doesn’t support our camera for importing the files. once on a harddrive with HDlink (the importprogram)it looks like you can transfer it to a cineform file, but it only takes 1 side, so is not stereoscopic anymore. So you have the option to use MVC to AVI converter. The left and right eye files you get from these you can use in Neo3D and produce the needed cineform files. But it’s a lot of work. Just to let you know that neo3D isn’t the program we thought it would be.

You copied your files from your camera directly to a harddrive and get an .mts. When you use PMB, the program that comes with the camera, you can import from your camera to the harddrive and get .m2ts. (I don’t know the difference but it might do something different in Vegas). By the way; in PMB you can do some basic editing like cut and paste without changing the filestructure.

My files are automaticly in properties>media>pair with next stream mode.
You solved your splitscreen problem yourself. I use anaglyph for adjusting the stereo. with stereo 3D adjust both left and right eye moves. I’m using vegas 11. I don’t know if that’s different in 10.

I have the same problem with not playing in realtime. Someone else should give you advice on that one. (different graphics card.).

I’m having trouble with exporting and viewing. I’m going to post that in a different thread; I suggest you look at that one too.
I hope this has helped you in some way.
regards
Hans Castrop

[Matt Faw]

Hello, Bruce and Hans. Like the two of you, I am new to the TD10, new to stereoscopic cutting, and new to Vegas.

So far, Vegas is the only reasonable workflow I’ve found for cutting TD10 footage. Since I’m usually an FCP user, I tried using the MVC to AVI converter, but the files mushroomed literally 100X in data size. For example, a 100MB TD10 file converted to 2 X 5GB AVI files. At that rate, 10GB of TD10 footage would expand to 1TB of AVI files!

Since I had not yet ruled out editing in AVI (or twice-transcoded MOVs), my first workflow involved watching the raw files in Wimmer’s Stereoscopic Viewer, and then using Sony’s PMB to trim the footage down to selects. The good thing about that is that I have much less data to keep, but it took too much time. From here on out, I think I’ll keep the cutting in Vegas, at least until FCP or Avid start working with .m2ts natively.

In FCP, I usually create a Selects sequence, and then cut clips from that, to be used in my cutting sequence. My Vegas work-around, thus far, is to have two separate projects open, one which is selects, and the other, my rough cut. The only downside to that is that when I paste the clip onto my cutting sequence, I have to manually assign the clip to “pair with next clip”, even though the clip had previously shown up as stereoscopic, on my selects project. Perhaps there’s some Project Properties setting that I need to change, in my rough cut project?

I have a project that I’ve already shot, a two camera interview, in which I paired the TD10 with a GoPro 3D rig. I have not yet sunc the footage, but I’m anticipating the following workflow: Match the GoPro left and right eye in their free Cineform program, and bring the resulting container reference file into Vegas, to match up with the TD10 files as multi-camera (assuming I can match separate codecs in Vegas’ multi-camera). Any thoughts on this workflow?

I am still trying to learn how to use the “Stereoscopic 3D Adjust” filter. In particular, I’m having a problem in which (almost) every time I run the “Auto Correct”, it crashes Vegas. I’ll post that as a separate post, but wondered if either of you had seen that.

I look forward to continued conversation with the two of you, about best practices, etc. Peace!