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[Aindreas Gallagher] “Give it up Jeremy – kneeeel before the God logic: io in X is not independently persistent.”
In that case, neither is 7. We both win.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I know its hard to see, but you are fundamentally wrong on this one jeremy.”
Funny, I feel the same about people who say persistent ins and outs don’t exist in fcpX.
I know they don’t work exactly like they do in 7, but they are there and they work.
I’d rather have copy/paste of effects work better as I can at least hold my ins and outs if I need to.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Funny, I feel the same about people who say persistent ins and outs don’t exist in fcpX. I know they don’t work exactly like they do in 7, but they are there and they work.”
I understand your point that FCP7’s IO points don’t persist forever, as they can be overwritten by new IO points. I also understand your point that FCPX’s IO points (ranges) can be manually stored, recalled, and deleted later.
However, I think an FCPX favorite is closer to FCP7’s subclips than it is to FCP7’s “remembered” in and out points. You didn’t have to hit Cmd-U after hitting I and O to keep from losing your IO points in FCP7 just by clicking away.
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[Walter Soyka] “However, I think an FCPX favorite is closer to FCP7’s subclips than it is to FCP7’s “remembered” in and out points. You didn’t have to hit Cmd-U after hitting I and O to keep from losing your IO points in FCP7 just by clicking away.”
Sub clips? Nope.
Sub clips are pretty much locked to that in and out.
You can add a favorite range to a timeline, and extend beyond the original range and have more than one range attached to any given clip. They are like extended markers, but better.
Like I said, they don’t look, or operate like fcp7 in and out points, but persistent ins and outs are there.
Sorry, I’m stubborn.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “they are there and they work.
“they are not, and they do not. 🙂
you’re using favourites. you do not have independently persistent in out points.
if you set an in and an out point, click off the clip and come back you will see this.
If you set an in and an out point, decide to make a favourite because you really like the range, you are doing something different.
Honestly jeremy – take a census – put this to anyone else on the thread or the forum – anyone at all. find anyone to agree with your contention that packaging an in out range off to favourites is the same as independently persistent in out ranges: you will find absolutely no one.
You are completely and end of the universe totally incorrect in your basic argument!!!
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I mean this with all due respect, and I know adobe can take it, but have you media managed anything, or used any sort of interchange out with Pr yet? How about relink of avchd media, or any media for that matter?
These things matter to us in a “multiuser” environment, we switch users/projects and have offsite and onsite edits happening. Fcpx makes these types of processes extremely easy to share.
When we were talking the other day about the timeline being “just the surface” of an NLE, I wasn’t kidding. I spend most of my time editing in a timeline, but these back end features, the ones that will stop you in your tracks if everything isn’t lining up, are important to me and our business. While it takes a bit of getting used to, this part of fcpx works very very well and it is things that iMovie heros have zero use for. While I agree that the timeline needs some beefier controls, the backed of fcpx is looking to be rather robust. That’s important to someone like me.
“Jeremy that was a very insightful post for me. You expressed well what it was you actually like about X. Thanks.
And to be fair, media management is not a huge thing for us so I couldn’t say that I’ve put PPro fully to the test with this. 30 minute doco style pieces is the most I’ve pressured PPro with as far as media management goes and while it hasn’t really let me down I guess you could say I haven’t really tried to drive it to the wall either, with much larger projects.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Sub clips are pretty much locked to that in and out.”
You can remove sub-clip limits.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Like I said, they don’t look, or operate like fcp7 in and out points, but persistent ins and outs are there.”
I think the thing is that we’re all defining persistent in and out points as precisely the way every other NLE or edit controller on the planet operates. You set an in, you set an out, and it’s attached to that clip or deck/tape until you explicitly clear it or set a different in and out. Those decisions are not obliterated by clicking focus away from the clip, and are automatically recalled along with the clip.
FCPX does not have persistent in and out points that work like this.
FCPX does have tools to store, recall, and delete ranges — but FCP7 had tools like this, too (subclips and markers) — in addition to what everyone here is calling “persistent in and out points.”
They’re not the same thing.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Sorry, I’m stubborn.”
We disagree sometimes, but this is one thing you and I both have in common. 🙂
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Like I said, they don’t look, or operate like fcp7 in and out points, but persistent ins and outs are there.
Sorry, I’m stubborn.”
Me too. 😉
Words matter. There’s a reason Apple calls the I and O shortcuts “Set Selection Start” and “Set Selection End”. Apple is hyper-intentional about what they name things. They specifically do not call these marks In and Out points because conceptually they’re framing them differently than traditional In and Out marks.
You’re describing persistent ranges selections with persistent Start and End points. These start/end points can function as In/Out marks, but they do different things as well.
Just because you can use them the same way, doesn’t mean they’re the same thing.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “you will find absolutely no one. “
I can think of someone 😉
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “kaaaa-booomm.”
Isn’t it 1:00am in the UK?
I wouldn’t mess with Jeremy. He’s in Chicago, so he’s got a six hour advantage on you tonight. He can beat you by attrition.
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