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Editing for film in Final Cut
I’m working for a producer who shot a mixture of HD, DV and 16mm film. She’s getting the film transferred to tape for editing. Having never done film before, I asked how we would reference the frames in the video for the final online. She said they’d eyeball it. Now, major films are being cut digitally and I can’t believe that there is no way to key code the tape. Any suggestions?
Thanks, Geralyn
Geralyn
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[Geralyn] “I asked how we would reference the frames in the video for the final online.”
Somethings are not making sense… Did you mean to say, “how would we reference the frames in the film?” Also, are you finishing on film or video? That was never made clear either.
David Roth Weiss
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Your lab can burn in the keycodes when they transfer the film to video.
Arnie
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Thanks for the answer. How are the key codes determined?
We are finishing in HD. I’m editing in DVCAM. Yes, I’m trying to determine how to reference the frames in the film?
All help is greatly appreciated.
Best, Geralyn
Geralyn
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[Geralyn] “Thanks for the answer. How are the key codes determined?”
They are printed on the film itself.
[Geralyn] “We are finishing in HD. I’m editing in DVCAM.”
Then don’t telecine the film to DVCAM…telecine to HD…D5 or HDCAM, or even DVCPRO HD.
[Geralyn] “Yes, I’m trying to determine how to reference the frames in the film?”
If you are finishing in HD, then you don’t need to reference the keycode information…that is if you are going to edit the film negative.
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[Shane Ross] “If you are finishing in HD, then you don’t need to reference the keycode information…that is if you are going to edit the film negative.”
Yep!!! I found that line of questioning a bit odd. Especially as the keycode is usually printed as a visible window on tape, becasue the tape is for offline only.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY™
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Sounds like they are doing one-light for editing and then will transfer selects with full grading.
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this has all been helpful, but i’m missing a link here. Sorry. The film will be ultimately transferred to HD. The final product will be HD. But is the producer wants me to cut the film into the DV edit. She is making DVCAM copies of the film footage – the DVCAMS should have keycodes? Or should the film first be transferred to HD ($$), then DVCAMS made from the HD tapes and teh timecode is the reference? The latter seems the expensive way around, I guess.
But am I missing a concept here or do I have it?
Thanks.Geralyn
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[Geralyn] “Or should the film first be transferred to HD ($$), then DVCAMS made from the HD tapes and teh timecode is the reference? The latter seems the expensive way around”
Its more expensive in the short term, but to any wise producer, time is money, and doing things on the cheap at the start usually means a lot more time in post. And, its usually the editor’s paycheck that they gripe about when fixing this stuff after the fact — rarely do they gripe about the producer’s silly decisions made to save a few bucks up front.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY™
A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.
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