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  • Edit To Tape issue (only with HD)

    Posted by Michael Thompson on November 4, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Having an issue with an Edit To Tape with a project that’s 1080i 29.97 Apple Pro Res 422 HQ.

    Before I continue, here’s my basic set-up:
    FCP 6.06
    AJA Io HD
    Mac OS X 10.5.8
    Sony HDW-2000

    I’ve done this type of Edit To Tape numerous times with no issue and I just did (10 minutes ago) an Edit To Tape with a project that was 525 29.97 Apple Pro Res. What’s happening is that when I click on ‘Edit To Tape’ it will start to initialize for a second and then disappear. So the Edit To Tape window doesn’t even appear. I will try to do a ‘Print To Video’ but a message comes up saying that I need to close Edit To Tape first. (How do I close what’s not even open?)
    So I would restart FCP and try a Print To Video, where it records audio but not video. When the sequence is playing on it’s own though, without recording on the HD deck, I see audio and video fine.
    I am current on FCP updates and AJA updates … I have power cycled the AJA and the Sony deck and the Mac … I have trashed preferences … I have checked all connections.
    What am I missing???? I understand there are a lot of variables so I’m not sure if there’s a more specific sequence of troubleshooting I need to do? Is there a setting in FCP that I’m not seeing?

    Just hoping that someone has been through this before and knows the way out.

    thanks,

    mike

    “That which doesn’t kill us … only makes us stranger”

    Andrew Hamilton replied 15 years, 9 months ago 5 Members · 9 Replies
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  • Eric Johnson

    November 4, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    This may sound foolish, but are you sure your video playback settings are correct? Also, do you use the “use different settings for edit to tape/print to video” in the A/V devices tab in A/V settings? I have more than once changed the playback settings and forgotten that the different playback has to be changed independently.

    Also, is your ioHD setup to downconvert or upconvert, since you were just working 525i?

    These are places that issues commonly arise. Especially if your audio is getting there, but not picture.

  • Michael Thompson

    November 4, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    It could very well be something foolish … I just don’t have enough experience with this yet to recognize it (as we’re seeing so far).
    The video settings, the FCP A/V settings, the AJA IoHD settings, are all set for the 1080i 29.97. No up or down converting.
    And in the A/V devices tab the “different output”, which is not clicked, matches the “playback output”.
    In the meantime I am scrolling through the manual of the Sony HDW-2000 also.
    So many settings, so little time.
    Thanks for the suggestions though.

    “That which doesn’t kill us … only makes us stranger”

  • Eric Johnson

    November 4, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    The foolishness was more in the vein that you had already dismissed, and not a slight. They are also easily overlooked items in troubleshooting.

    does the ioHD have a control panel, anything similar to the kona? If it does that is were the up/down/cross conversion would be set to. It will also tell you exactly what is being sent to the deck.

    You may also be having a conflict in your reference if you are using reference.

  • Michael Thompson

    November 4, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Can’t say I’ve solved the issue yet … but after a lot of troubleshooting, it’s been narrowed down to FCP and just a random glitch in both projects.
    Set up a new project with 1080i 60 Apple Pro Res Easy Setup and dropped Bars/Tone and did a Print To Tape that worked fine. Tried it again, this time dropping it into the original sequence I’m working on and had the same problem (audio, but no vid).
    So … created a new project and copied the timeline from the old project and was able to print to video!
    Good enough to meet the deadline for today. Will have to do more testing tomorrow with other HD files to see if the ETT works. That’s the real test.

    Will keep you posted … thanks again for the help.

    “That which doesn’t kill us … only makes us stranger”

  • Eric Johnson

    November 4, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    If that is the fix that works, then you may have a corrupt project…

  • Joey Burnham

    November 5, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    This sounds like it could be a reference issue. Not sure about your kona but the kona 3 has a section where you can switch your reference.
    Might want to try that.
    Joey

  • Andrew Hamilton

    December 23, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    This is not a unique problem. We are having the same issues on our systems too. It started happening after upgrading to Snow Leopard and FCP 7. Like you, we have all OS, software, and capture card drivers up to the minute but when we select edit to tape, it engages for a moment then nothing happens.

    FCP acts as if the edit to tape is running when it isn’t. What fixes it for us is a complete trashing of preferences but that is really lame. EVERY time we want to lay to tape, we have to re-enter all of our fav effects and re-navigate to our keyboard and window arrangement prefs.

    This is happening on our Quad and 8 core systems. We are using Blackmagic HD Decklink cards while utilizing shared workflows on an XSAN.

    Hopefully this issue gets worked out. Its just a pain to have to trash prefs everyday.

    Andrew Hamilton

    Corporate Training Video
    Hamilton International Productions
    https://www.hiproductions.com

  • Saul Budd

    August 9, 2010 at 10:07 am

    I’ve experienced the same issue several times, interesting that you say only with HD, I hadn’t noticed this but it does seem to fit my experience.

    To avoid trashing preferences, try selecting the edit to tape window in the Window menu (it’s listed even though you can’t see it) and closing it using Cmd-W. Also close your canvas and viewer, then try re-opening the edit to tape window. This doesn’t always work first time, but usually does on the 2nd or 3rd attempt.

  • Andrew Hamilton

    August 9, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Yes…we tried window manipulation opening, closing, opening log and capture (which it wouldn’t allow because the edit to tape window was supposedly ‘open’ which it wasn’t).

    Ultimately what cleared it up for us was a complete reinstall of OS and FCS, which is horribly lame. FCP also is having a HORRIBLE time communicating with our XSAN (a WAY overpriced storage and shared workflow solution).

    We’re now moving toward a totally tapeless environment, so laying to tape may be a thing of the past. It won’t be missed.

    Andrew Hamilton

    Corporate Training Video
    Hamilton International Productions
    https://www.hiproductions.com

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