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Edit To Tape Beta SP
Running latest Kona3 software.
I’m finding that I can do anything I want VideoAudio Insert-wise to D-Beta, but trying to do inserts to Beta SP ignores audio… in other words, I’m trying to do an A/V insert to Beta SP but NOTHING that I have tried over the last four days of booting, re-booting, etc., etc., has given me anything other than video-only. Of course, Assemble takes both. Kind of inconvenient.jPo
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Which deck are you using for BetaSP?
How are you feeding Analog audio to that deck?
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Its a plain-vanilla PVW-2800, RS422, etc. Like I say it will do an assemble, no sweat, so it IS getting audio at the inputs. Under FCP control, it will do a V+A1+A2 insert, but it won’t record the audio… it won’t do an Audio-only either. It will do it under local control. I can Frankenstein the project together at this point and send out the tapes — but revisions to the audio will be out of the question, because at this point its uneditable with a sync source.
I’m SDI-out from my suite, so I’m actually using a D-Beta as a decoder on the other end and sending on the Y, R-Y, B-Y and audio from the D-Beta to the Beta SP. I don’t see this as an issue because ASSEMBLE works!
What I suspect, and its always the first thing that I do, is that there is some issue with the FCP/Kona 422 ETT drivers. Stunningly flaky since the last update — change Mastering settings and you get the beach ball of death. I wonder how long until the BBOD becomes as comonplace as the Windows/DOS BSOD (Blue Screen of Death, for those who are Apple-only).
jPo
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[JP Owens] “I don’t see this as an issue because ASSEMBLE works!”
I do see an issue because you’re using the DigiBeta as a transcoder to Analog rather than coming straight out of the Kona 3 like you should be doing.
What happens if you simply use the RCA audio outputs from the Kona 3 and try to do an Insert edit to your PVW? Does that work? It should. If that does not work, then the PVW is not happy performing the Insert when being controlled via RS-422 for whatever reason.
I’m thinking there’s something in the SDI to Analog audio transfer that the PVM is happy when it’s trying to record both video and audio together, but it’s not getting something that it likes when you try to do an Audio Only insert.
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No, no difference whatsoever. The Beta SP is insensitive to the signal origin or path. Audio is present at the inputs to the Beta SP in all cases. I get an occasional burp of audio at the programmed “OUT”.
Probably I’m using too many words.
Assemble works. The Beta SP will record both Audio and Video.
Insert: Beta SP will only record Video, and will not record Audio in any insert combination under FCP control. It acts like Video Only in all cases.It will record video and audio in insert mode under Local control with the same feed path. It is a Remote issue.
The feed is irrelevant. It is just not getting the command to record audio in insert mode, even though the little yellow dots beside A1, A2 are illuminated in the FCP ETT window. It works fine with the D-Beta, and I’m betting that the Sony ‘A’ protocol is different between the machine types.
That’s the long and short of it.
jPo
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Honestly sounds like a deck issue, though you might want to follow up with AJA Tech Support to see if they have any thoughts. I can tell you audio inserts work perfectly fine here with our HD decks, we’ve never tried an audio insert with our UVW-1800 as I’m not sure that deck can even perform that edit.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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As a workaround, what happens if you manually enable the audio insert buttons on the deck while it is prerolling to do a video edit? As it prerolls, just hit the buttons on the PVW and enable the audio insert. Does it work then? I regularly control a PVW series BetaSP for analog work and it works OK.
If you have an Aja Io, try seting your VTR control protocol to Aja Io-422. I don’t change the VTR protocol when using the Kona 3 for output. I just leave it on the Aja Io setting and it works every time. You might go to Aja web site and download the drivers for the Io and give that a try.
Works here at least.
Tom -
The deck is 2 doors, and 150 feet from the FCP keyboard. I’m probably not going to cover the distance in 3 seconds, not that any of the panel buttons will respond while the deck is in remote, anyway.
I’m Kona3 only, no Io.
Not many decks in the mix, the HDCam5500 does everything I ask it to… mostly the Beta SP requirement is a bit like the old VHS dubs that I used to do… so this is not going to break my business, but it would be nice if it worked.
jPo
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[JP Owens] “Not many decks in the mix, the HDCam5500 does everything I ask it to… mostly the Beta SP requirement is a bit like the old VHS dubs that I used to do… so this is not going to break my business, but it would be nice if it worked.”
Again, my advice would be to call AJA Tech Support and see if they have any thoughts.
There are two SD Sony VTR Controls that come standard with the AJA Presets. You could always switch from B to A or A to B
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Can’t help with the distance to the deck problem ( I feel your pain-all of uou decks are in a central machine room a good 100 feet from my edit room as well) but I can help with the remote problem. Go into the menu on the PVW and change the remote enable setting to Enable all. This will at least allow you (or someone via phone?) to “arm” the two audio insert buttons to do an insert while the deck in remote.
Tom -
Where you able to figure out what was the culprit to the deck not working. I have the same problem with our beta.
I tried updating the kona card,
Messing with all types of setting on the deck.I have even tried to patch the audio through a dv deck.
All of our decks run through a concurto router, I don’t think the router is the culprit.
A guy could do an insert and run really fast and hit local then manual edit, but that not frame accurate.
Assembles work fine. 2 channel of audio insert no audio just video.
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