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Edit Assistant, I was learning FCP7…
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[Jamie Franklin] “People defending it as a 1.0 comparing it to the 1.0 of the first Final Cut always seem to exclude the legacy and the truths inherent in a multi-track nle that is really the standard, and for a reason.”
And those who say it doesn’t compare seem to conveniently forget FCP’s history, and where NLEs were at the time. FCP was completely unusable for complex professional workflows.
Multi-cam editing existed in Avid for years before FCP was even in version 1. Why didn’t FCP v1 come with multi-cam?
FCP could only even injest 2 channels of audio at a time.
Just because it’s low on features now, doesn’t mean it won’t have features down the line. Sure, you may not want to wait for them, many people don’t; that’s fine. But you have no idea what will be standard in the years to come, especially if this new approach (and really, it’s not all that different in many respects) ends up being more efficient.
[Jamie Franklin] “Some people find it comfortable being in a timeline that won’t allow you to layer an audio file where you want, watching it snap back to it’s static track. I don’t get that.”
Sounds like you haven’t spent all that much time with FCPX (if any at all). You most certainly can layer an audio file where you want. Or a video file for that matter.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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Snide rude comments aside, please give us a screen shot of the audio tracks. Lay in a video and drag an audio file to a track lets call that one dialogue. Then take another audio file and lay it in underneath…lets call that music. To test your analysis place it further down the track please without anything above it…..
(uhoh! what is it doing?)
Then try and mute that “track” you say exists…With your video, do the same thing, try and build a 3 track multi layer without anything underneath one of the videos…
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[Jamie Franklin] “Then try and mute that “track” you say exists…”
I never said FCPX had tracks. I’m just not as hung up about it as you. I can edit without tracks. I’m sorry you can’t/won’t. You made it sound as if clips couldn’t be placed in time where you want them because of the magnetic timeline which is incorrect. Tracks are only really necessary for order of operations and organizations. The operations can be performed exactly the same in FCPX, and now Roles exist to help organizational workflows.
Heck, in a further revision, roles might even come as color separated clips making it even easier to distinguish dialogue and music at a glance. But for now, I can see them fine as highlighted clips in the timeline. Oh, yeah, and I can mute them all at the same time too.
How exactly does having the music two levels away from the video track at one point and 1 level away at another, affect the edit in any way? The playback is the same.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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Then you totally misrepresented my problem with the program. Which is my problem, not yours, so your snide comments aren’t necessary. Since my problems with it actually exist, you just don’t care about them…
I said, you can’t place them where you want, you said you could…the fact is you can’t. The end
“Tracks are only really necessary for order of operations and organizations.”
What an incredibly obtuse statement…
Tracks aren’t only necessary for your limited scope. I use tracks for a variety of purposes. It offers much more flexibility than something that snaps in gaps or forces one to fill them…
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[Jamie Franklin] “Which is my problem, not yours, so your snide comments aren’t necessary”
I’m sorry you find my comments snide, it’s not my intention. But let’s not pretend that your comments have been any purer (“uhoh! what is it doing?”)
[Jamie Franklin] “Tracks aren’t only necessary for your limited scope. I use tracks for a variety of purposes.”
Ok. Go ahead. Tell me what uses you put tracks to that are not related to organization or order of operations and which FCPX’s magnetic timeline hampers. I’m interested.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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You want to get into an argument now over who is being the bigger jerk? I wasn’t even responding to anything you posted and you went ahead and said I was pretty much lying even though nothing in my statement was inaccurate…
You can’t drag an audio file where you want, it snaps back. that is a fact…you have to layer it underneath or fill the gap in order to have any control over where you slide a file. Again, that’s a fact and in my opinion not how I want to edit.
To that you went and insinuated I’m just pulling that out of my butt and haven’t used the software…It almost matters if you think it’s better to edit this way…but you can vocalize so without the bs
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[Jamie Franklin] “I wasn’t even responding to anything you posted and you went ahead and said I was pretty much lying even though nothing in my statement was inaccurate…”
I never called you a liar, nor even said you were “pretty much lying.”
I said that it sounded as if you hadn’t spent much time with the application based on this…
[Jamie Franklin] “Some people find it comfortable being in a timeline that won’t allow you to layer an audio file where you want, watching it snap back to it’s static track.”
When I read that line, it sounded to me as if you were saying that you couldn’t put an audio file anywhere you wanted “in time”. In other words, that the audio file HAD to be butted up against another clip which is a common misconception about FCPX’s magnetic timeline. You only said “where” and apparently only meant “where vertically”. I read it differently because it doesn’t matter as far as playback whether your music is on track 1/2 or 51/52. I said as much in my other response.
I’m not sure why you’re getting so angry. I am honestly curious about the “variety of uses” you mentioned for tracks that aren’t related to organization or order of operations.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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[Daniel Frome] “I’ll chime in here too. I work in Toronto, and just like David says about LA — it’s becoming an “all Avid, all the time” place once again. Premiere Pro is not being used anywhere.”
I also work in Toronto….on PPro.
I was recently in the DV Shop and was told they’re selling more CS5 than MC…so there you go. Maybe you should qualify your comments a little more carefully.
I expect that most of the big shops will go aVID at keast for the time being, because it’s the tried and true safe choice. I don’t expect that to hold exclusively true in the future as PPro comes in as a test seat or two, and demonstrates it’s advantages.
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[Jamie Franklin] “Then take another audio file and lay it in underneath…lets call that music. To test your analysis place it further down the track please without anything above it…..
(uhoh! what is it doing?)
Then try and mute that “track” you say exists…With your video, do the same thing, try and build a 3 track multi layer without anything underneath one of the videos…
(uhoh again! what is it doing?)”Hi Jamie,
There are no tracks in FCPX, but you can move clips anywhere in the time line by using gap clips. You can creating them using the position toll or ‘command W’. If you want to mute a selection of audio clips, select them and press ‘v’ to disable them. You can save this selection by making them into a compound clip or secondary storyline.
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“Sounds like you haven’t spent all that much time with FCPX (if any at all).”
Completely unnecessary. Don’t bother trying to mistake my annoyance for anger. You seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing to no end just because I don’t like this software. My post was to the OP, not you. Cheers
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