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  • DVX/HVX: 480i/24pA + 720p/24pA–>23.98fps–>Film+TV60i

    Posted by Mcuseo on May 11, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    I’m traveling to Europe (May 12-26) to shoot a fly-fishing documentary using a DVX100A (that’s right, “A”) and and HVX200 (the po’ man’s Vari-cam). We’ll be cutting footage together from the two cameras along with 48k/16bit audio from both sources. For the HVX200 we’ve chosen the 720p/24pN format (for VFR capability and to save space on the P2 cards). For the DVX100 we’ve chosen Anamorphic 16:9, 24pA. We will be editing in FCP with a 23.98fps Timebase. My questions are…

    1) Can we pull the footage from the DVX100A (24pA over 60i) onto a sequence with a “DVCPRO HD 720p/60p” Compressor and a 23.98fps Timebase using a Advanced (2:3:3:2) pulldown pattern?
    3) What is the best way to “Up-Rez” Anamorphic 720×480 footage (created using 16:9 “Squeeze” mode on DVX100) onto a 720p (720×1280) canvas? Scale in FCP or Kona card? How much for the card?
    2) Will this lead to Audio Synchronization issues (48k/16bit)?
    3) Can we transfer the final product (Sequence settings: DVCPRO-HD 720p/60p, 23.98 Timebase,) to film as well as down to a 24p over 60i master for TV without sound synch issues?
    4) Clips shot at 720p/24pN and imported into FCP only show a bitrate of 5.9 mbps in their clip settings. What’s up? Isn’t it supposed to be near 100mbps?
    5) Full-screen playback for 720p material is jumpy or non-existent in FCP (5.0.4). Is that my graphics card or what?

    Haven’t had any problems with the P2 cards, P2 Store (AJ-PCS060G), importing or mounting Volumes (from Camera via FireWire or P2 Store) but did have trouble finding P2 Card Drivers for MacOSX online.

    Thanks for any help you can offer,
    Mike

    CuseoMovingMedia
    Aspen, CO, U.S.A.
    http://www.aspenfreeride.com

    Russell Lasson replied 19 years, 2 months ago 2 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Russell Lasson

    May 11, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    [mcuseo] “1) Can we pull the footage from the DVX100A (24pA over 60i) onto a sequence with a “DVCPRO HD 720p/60p” Compressor and a 23.98fps Timebase using a Advanced (2:3:3:2) pulldown pattern?”

    In FCP5? Yes, but you’ll need to render and it won’t remove the advanced pulldown. Not recommended unless you’re using Nattress Standards Converter. In FCP6? Yes, but I don’t have a clue on if it will remove the pulldown correctly until I try it. I asked an Apple rep at NAB and she didn’t have a clue.

    I just notice that the numbering of your questions is messed up. Ha Ha, you have messed up numbers:)

    [mcuseo] “3) What is the best way to “Up-Rez” Anamorphic 720×480 footage (created using 16:9 “Squeeze” mode on DVX100) onto a 720p (720×1280) canvas? Scale in FCP or Kona card? How much for the card?”

    In FCP5? Digitizing of a Kona card is great, but I don’t think i will remove the advanced pulldown while you digitize. I would digitize over Firewire and remove the pulldown that way, then deal will up converting it using compressor, Nattress Standards Converters, AE, Shake, etc. In FCP6? Not sure how well the new timeline in FCP6 will upconvert, but Compressor is suppose to do quite well.

    [mcuseo] “2) Will this lead to Audio Synchronization issues (48k/16bit)?”

    If it does, then you did something wrong.

    [mcuseo] “3) Can we transfer the final product (Sequence settings: DVCPRO-HD 720p/60p, 23.98 Timebase,) to film as well as down to a 24p over 60i master for TV without sound synch issues?”

    Yes. For the film side, find a company that you trust and do what they say. For broadcast, what format are you mastering to? I would get a AJA product (Kona or IO HD) as they can do just about anything.

    [mcuseo] “4) Clips shot at 720p/24pN and imported into FCP only show a bitrate of 5.9 mbps in their clip settings. What’s up? Isn’t it supposed to be near 100mbps?”

    You’re getting your bits and bytes messed up. There are 8-bits in a byte. 720 24PN is 5.6 MegaBytes/sec or about 44.8 MegaBits/sec. So what was the 100mbits/sec? 720 was originally 60 frames per second = about 14.4MBytes/sec or 110Mbits/sec? (Not exact math, but you should get the idea).

    [mcuseo] “5) Full-screen playback for 720p material is jumpy or non-existent in FCP (5.0.4). Is that my graphics card or what?”

    Don’t have a clue. There are several things that might impact that including the video playback setting under view on the menu bar. You’ll have to give us more details or just play with it yourself.

    -Russ

  • Mcuseo

    May 11, 2007 at 9:26 pm

    Word! Sorry, I meant to put “720p/24pN” in the original subject but it seems you figured that out. Bits v. Bytes is my bad…thanks for clearing that up…
    So now…the way I’m understanding the workflow is that the 24pA footage from the DVX100 needs to be captured at a 29.97 framerate while removing the Advanced Pulldown/Duplicate frames upon Capture using the Capture Presets and then everything should synch up on a 24fps timeline. Is that right?

    Thanks again for you help, Russ!

    Mike

    CuseoMovingMedia
    Aspen, CO, U.S.A.
    http://www.aspenfreeride.com

  • Russell Lasson

    May 11, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    Yup. Then you’ll just want to upconvert it somehow.

    -Russ

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