DVE Box in V2 over V1, dissolve shows through to V1 ?

[Tom Wolsky]

I don’t think you’re explaining enough. What do expect to see during the dissolve out if not the underlying layer?

[Debe]

If you’re asking what I think you’re asking…

There are two options. 1. Put a short slug on a layer above your 2 video tracks and dissolve out to that. 2. Nest the two layers together and dissolve the nest to black. (Both work the same way for dissolving up from black, too)

FCP is doing exactly what you’re telling it to. It’s showing you each layer at 50% opacity halfway through your dissolve. You *should* see through the top layer at that point if you just dissolved each one layer out or changed the opacity with keyframes.

debe

[Dan Riley]

Thanks Debe.
I’m so used to creating an effect on a switcher and downstream
dissolving to black from the old days, that I couldn’t get my head
around how to fix this.
Your second one, nesting it and dissolved the whole thing out
sounds like the easiest. But I’ll have to remember not to do that
with my offline, when I’m going to uprez and you can’t do any
nesting in a sequence you use media manager with.

Don’t you think there should be some kind of way to tell FCP
that those two layers are supposed to be one effect?
So it would dissolve down as one thing?

Thanks for your help,
Dan

[Bouncing Account needs new email address]

[Danrnw] “Don’t you think there should be some kind of way to tell FCP
that those two layers are supposed to be one effect?
So it would dissolve down as one thing?”

That is EXACTLY what the “nest” is all about (one purpose, anyway).
You need to consider that your example, in this case, is very basic.
There are times when you may have 5 layers, 12 layers, many more… that would EACH become “transparent” if you added an individual dissolve to each layer.

The nest would solve the problem, but I don’t use nests for this, because…

There is also (at least) one other way to accomplish what you asked about.
If you have a 2-layer (or 22-layer, for that matter) effect and you want to dissolve from that to a new clip, just put the new clip on the layer ABOVE the multi-layer effect.
Add the dissolve to (or ramp-up the opacity of) this new clip and it will “cover” the layers below it, all at once.

As you said, you just need to stop thinking about the FCP timeline as a “switcher” and think of it as more as a “pure image.”
Its like creating a “painting”… you can cover anything by “painting over” it.

[Dan Riley]

cool, I like this idea. I wanted to find a way I didn’t have to nest.
Nesting is problematic for me because my offlines are pretty
involved and they always are uprezzed at some point.
Media management is trouble enough without adding nests.

Most of the time my situation is ending a commercial where
the tag screen is 9 layers of video, titles, backgroud,
credit cards, etc. Then I want to go down to black and
up to the next segment. I could put my next studio segment camera
on V10 for a few seconds and then drop it down to
V1 on the next camera change. That would work perfectly.

Thanks Matt.
Dan

[Jeremy Garchow]

This is the perfect time to introduce you to the slug fade. Take a slug and put it in v3 and fade up to it. No nesting, no multiple dissolve effects and all of your layers below the slug keep their opacity.

[Dan Riley]

so instead of putting my next event (studio camera) up on top,
and doing an down/up dissolve to that, I put a slug up there
and dissolve to that and out of the studio camera which would be on V1.
Sounds reasonable. I’m not at work right now but will try it
tomorrow. Both ideas I like much better than nests.

Thanks,
Dan

[Bouncing Account needs new email address]

Hey Jeremy, your answer was virtually the same one as the first answer to this thread (see debe’s post).

My reply was to explain how to get out of a multi-layer video scene DIRECTLY into a single-layer “clean” scene (no dip-to-black).

But, we all gave about the same answers, so I guess we have to divide the cash prize equally.
Anyone got change for a nickel?

[Debe]

[Matte] “Anyone got change for a nickel?”

I used to have half a penny my grandpa “made” for me by pinching the penny in a vice….would that help?!?!

debe

[Dan Riley]

I tried it today. Worked great.
I put a slug, 10 frames before the end of the segment,
on a new top layer v10 and put a 10 frame dissolve on it.
I took all the other dissolves off all the other layers.
This did exactly what I wanted. The whole
shibang dissolves down together without seeing
through any DVE boxes to the background.

Learn something new everyday if I’m lucky.
Thanks all for your help.

Dan