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  • DVD recordings don’t hold up

    Posted by Seatlanta on July 18, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    When I burn my movies to DVD, the DVDs just don’t hold up very well, sometimes lasting only through a few screenings before glitches, noise, freeze-ups, etc. make them useless.

    I know (from recent articles and studies) that the dye-based, computer-burned CDs and DVDs are definitely not the long-lasting media we hoped they would be, but this is ridiculous.

    I’ve tried several different name brands, including Memorex, Ritek, and most others, as well as a few no-name brands. I keep them cool and dry, away from bright light, and in protective sleeves. I’ve tried several different DVD recorders and players–but no luck. I’m really fed up.

    I’ve also noticed that at some film festivals that require DVDs for screening, a small percentage will not play at all.

    Is this a problem that others are having? If not, please let me know the manufacturer of the discs you’re using.

    I would appreciate any suggestions.

    Thanks.
    James (seatlanta)

    Brian Sinks replied 18 years, 9 months ago 10 Members · 15 Replies
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  • Mike Kujbida

    July 18, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    I’ve been using either Verbatim and Taiyo-Yuden and, after over 5 years, have not had any complaints from anyone.
    The other recomendation is to never burn at the maximum rated speed.
    I stick to 4X max for anything critical.

  • Douglas Spotted eagle

    July 18, 2007 at 3:32 pm

    We use (primarily) TY here, they hold up great, some are several years old. Are you using one particular player?
    Putting the DVD player on top of any hot object/heat source?
    If your discs are falling apart, it would suggest something other than the disc itself. I don’t know how many thousands of discs we’ve hand-burned, but never once have had a complaint about dye chipping, etc. High heat, humidity, and extreme cold can all play a role in the early death of a disc. You suggest you’re keeping them dry and cool, so those likely aren’t factors. Perhaps try a premium grade vs Walmart/Target quality discs?

    We do burn at the highest possible speeds. According to engineers at Evatone (our replicator), the highest failure rates are found in slow burn/1-4x burned DVDs. DiscMakers has said the same thing to us. I don’t know if this is related to your problem or not.

    Douglas Spotted Eagle
    VASST
    Aerial Camera

  • Mike Kujbida

    July 18, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    “We do burn at the highest possible speeds. According to engineers at Evatone (our replicator), the highest failure rates are found in slow burn/1-4x burned DVDs. DiscMakers has said the same thing to u”

    Douglas, first of all, welcome back!!
    Your comments are very interesting.
    I’ve always operated under the warnings from the audio CD days and that was to burn at the lowest possible speed, especially if you were sending somethng in to be mastered.
    Have I been wrong all these years or does the slow speed burn rule apply to audio CDs only?

  • Seatlanta

    July 18, 2007 at 4:28 pm

    Thanks, guys. I’ve never tried T-Y, but I’m going to place an order today. More questions:

    1. Can you recommend a legitimate Web dealer? All of the counterfeit disc stories make me very cautious. Right now, I’m looking at SuperMediaStore.com.

    2. Is there any difference in performance (reliability) between DVD-R and DVD+R?

    I’m very interested in Douglas’ recommendation to burn at a high speed. I’ve always slowed things down a bit, thinking (hoping, praying?)that I’d get a better burn.

    Thanks again.
    James (seatlanta)

  • Gary Kleiner

    July 18, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    [seatlanta] “Can you recommend a legitimate Web dealer?”

    I get them either from Meritline or Shop4tech.

    Gary Kleiner

    Vegas Training and Tools.com

    Learn Vegas and DVD Architect

    http://www.VegasTrainingAndTools.com

  • Terry Esslinger

    July 18, 2007 at 9:12 pm

    WE get ours from Americal.

    Had always thought that my research said that -R was more compatable but have had to make +R for a couple of clients recently when -R played poorly. Toss a coin?

  • Terry Esslinger

    July 18, 2007 at 9:14 pm

    Forgot to mention we always use either TY or Verbatum.

  • Douglas Spotted eagle

    July 19, 2007 at 3:04 am

    Have I been wrong all these years or does the slow speed burn rule apply to audio CDs only?
    Mike, Thanks for the welcome, nice to be able to participate here again.
    I don’t know that the rule applies to anything any longer. I have had a couple discussions (read “arguments”) with engineers at a couple of replication plants when we’ve had serious errors show up in the past. Then we happened upon Evatone and they have a very good QC program and system. Started this discussion with them a couple years ago, and the head of QC asked me what speed I was burning. I told him 1/2x. He asked me to burn the same project at 8x. Same media, no failures/errors. Since that time, all our projects (CD and DVD) are burned at the highest speed the media or burners will allow whether they’re dual layer DDP discs/files or single DVD5 masters. The days of DLT are gone for us too, so everything goes out on DVD in some form or another. So…my feeling with no scientific support, is that burning at higher speeds reduces errors.

    Douglas Spotted Eagle
    VASST
    Aerial Camera

  • Rick Mac

    July 20, 2007 at 12:14 am

    Just a thought. Sounds like you have tried various media only to have problems with them all. The common denominator is your burner. Perhaps it has a problem. I would search google to see if others are having problems with the same model that I have. I would also do some research to find a model that people are real happy with.

    The good news is that the pricing for DVD Burners has never been better.

    Regards, Rick.

  • Allen Zagel

    July 20, 2007 at 11:46 am

    I’ve heard that disk manufacturer’s have different grades of blanks. Does TY have both a professional and cheap grade. Which are the good ones?

    Wow! Spot, welcome back.
    Allen

    ASX Media Productions
    https://www.asxvideo.com

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