DVCProHD Question

[Walter Biscardi]

I don’t think that’s an option with DVCPro HD at this time. Could be wrong and of course this could change in two weeks.

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[Seawild]

HA! But then you’d be right again!

And those 720p frames are really still segmented right? Field one/Field two..? My understanding is that there is not really anything that is true single frame progressive. We couldn’t even watch that on a monitor right?

Does the Kona card maybe do 1080p?

Thanks Walter!

[Russell Lasson]

Yes there is. You can use DVCPROHD at any of the basic frame rate. So for progressive frame rates you would have 1080/60P, 1080/24P, and maybe a few others. You just need to have your source footage be 1080/*.

One example of 1080/24P would be transfering film to a DVCPROHD deck with a 2:3 pulldown. When you get it into post, you can remove the pulldown and have 1080/24P.

Another example are certain Panasonic P2 cameras like the HVX200. They can shoot in 1080/24P using a 2:3 pulldown. Then when you import it into FCP, you can remove the pulldown and edit at 1080/24P.

I’ve never really heard of a way to aquire 1080/60P that is currently in use. That is unless someone is out shooting with a prototype RED ONE right now.

-Russ

[Seawild]

Hello Russel,

How about if they captured from the 10 bit SDI out of a Sony Camera to a FCP system with a Kona Card straight to hard drives?

I looked at the Apple site and I did not see any reference to 1080p only 1080i and 720p..

We are working at native 23.98.

Thanks,
Chris

[Russell Lasson]

It should work fine, though I live in a Panasonic world where very few things are really 23.98, so I’ve never been able to send a true 23.98 signal to my capture card.

We’ve got both Kona and Decklink setups that 1080p 23.98 to DVCPROHD settings. So if the camera is exporting a true 23.98 signal, then it should take it in. If you have any questions, just call they guys at AJA. They have wonderful tech support of these types of questions.

If I have some time, for fun, I’ll set up one system to play out a 1080/24P signal and see if the other can digitize it.

(boy, if that what I do “for fun” then my therapist is right. I do have some serious problems.)

-Russ

PS What Sony camera is it?

[Seawild]

Thanks!

We all have some serious problems. 😉 Not sure which sony camera, but it recorded HDCAM tapes.

Smart thinking callin AJA.

Thanks,Chris

[Gary Adcock]

the most current version of the Kona are capable of capturing true progressive content when it is supplied in that manner from Vision Research, SI, Genesis, Viper

Sony’s 1080 format InCamera is 1080 PsF and they are NOT the same thing.

only cameras I have worked with record 1080 as TRUE PROGRESSIVE content are not mainstream.

We will be showing some 1080p footage in the AJA booth at NAB. ( breaking glass of course…)

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Gary Adcock]

[chris] “We all have some serious problems. 😉 Not sure which sony camera, but it recorded HDCAM tapes.”

then you need to outline this again. There are presets with the Kona software that allow you to capture at
1080 23.98 Psf without problem as everything from 10bit – DV from the deck or camera.

please also note that if they are camera masters they are only 8bit and they will be psf not P.

the correct nomenclature is

1080p24 is true progressive
1080 24Psf is the format Sony records in camera (captured and handled as progressive but plays back as 48i)

and the Kona’s can handle both.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Seawild]

Hello Gary,

Let me better explain my question.

They used a Sony Camera that recorded 8bit HDCAM tapes for back-up. They also used the 10 bit SDI output out of the camera to a FCP system with a new Kona card to record to 8bit DVCProHD files straight to firewire.

My question is “Is there such a thing as 1080p in DVCProHD” All I have heard about is 1080i and 720p.. as far as DVCProHD is concerned.

The DP is under the impression that they shot at 1080p. With the Kona card.. I think he is confused. Might I be wrong? This is important because there would possibly be a difference in quality.

Thanks,
Chris

Chris

[Gary Adcock]

[chris] “My question is “Is there such a thing as 1080p in DVCProHD” All I have heard about is 1080i and 720p.. as far as DVCProHD is concerned.”

well you captured it as 23.98 DVCPROHD didn’t you??
My Kona has over 50 setup for every variety of video, and as I said the Kona do both P and Psf.

the setup I use for 1080 is the 1080 23.98sf DVCPROHD setting.

“The DP is under the impression that they shot at 1080p.”

your DP is misguided and does not understand there is a difference between the 2 formats.
(he is not alone by the way)

The Sony in camera format for HDCAM is 1080 23.98 PsF ( 8bit 3:1:1) — this is not interlaced but plays back that way for simplicity in maintaining the legacy hardware of the SD world. Even the default recording in most 1080 decks is PsF and not P.

gary adcock
Technical Chairman for both HD Solutions and the Director of Photography Track
NAB 2007 Post Production Conferences

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows