DV50 @ 24p into FCP

[Noah Kadner]

24p or 24p A? And please define softer? Such an effect would be less likely and desirable with a HD camera no? If you mean less sharpness to the image this could be done with either a softening filter like a promist in front of the lens or with a soft filter in post.

Noah

[Peter Sassi]

Noah,

Softer probably wasn’t the correct word. Have you ever seen footage from the process I described? If not I will try to explain, shot 24p (not A) captured 29.97 with a DVX100. It gives a much less “harsh” video look than shooting at 30. It is the progressive (not interlaced)nature that gives the less “harsh” look. Shot at 30P, again in the DVX100, even looks less harsh, 24 even less so than 30.

That is what i meant by “softer” I certainly did not mean out of focus. And I am not talking about HD either, I specifically said DV50.

I am sorry if i did not make myself clear. What i am trying to achieve is the look i was so many times able to with the DVX100 except with the added quality of DV50.

-Peter

[Peter Sassi]

Noah,

BTW, i meant the diff in shooting 24P and 60i on the DVX100.

thanks – peter

[Noah Kadner]

Can you post a still- I don’t get what you mean here.

Noah

[Peter Sassi]

Noah,

I really don’t have time to post a DVX100 still from video shot at 60i and one shot at 24p (edited in a 29.07 timeline) If you have access to a DVX try it for yourself, you will simply be amazed at the difference. I do regional, testimonial commercials and have had people ask me, when i switched from shooting BetaSP to the DVX (shot 24) if i was shooting film now. Granted, they weren’t the most educated eyes, but they did see the difference.

Good luck,

peter

[Mike Schrengohst]

Hd will sharper than DV. Follow the HVX workflow to am SD DVD and then compare the DVX footage to that. The HVX will be sharper. You can always soften the HVX footage.
But I will not go back to the DVX.

Mike Schrengohst
http://www.MotionZoneHD.com

[Barry Green]

Peter, are you just talking about the look between DV24p and DV60i? If so, be aware that Noah was the guy who shot the demo film that Promax distributed, which involved him shooting the same film on a DVX and on a PD150 specifically to demonstrate the amazing difference that 24p makes.

I guess that’s why we’re puzzled by your question. DVCPRO50 has the same 24p mode that the DVX does, and the same 60i mode that the DVX does. And DVCPRO50/24p looks like better-quality filmlike DVX footage, and DVCPRO50/60i looks like better-quality videolike DVX footage. Anything you could do with the DVX, 24p-wise, you can also do with the HVX in DVCPRO50, and get the same benefits.

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[Peter Sassi]

Barry,

I apologize for not being clear. The “look” is, hard to put into subjective words.

>Peter, are you just talking about the look between DV24p and DV60i?< That is exactly what I mean. Saying "softer" in my opening question was going down a misleading path. Noah, I apologize for being a bit short, I do recognize your qualifications and contributions to this question. All that said, I guess my question now is two part: 1) To me, the difference in "look" when shooting DV50 24p and 60i does not seem as dramatic as it is with DV25,(The image itself is absolutely superior though) anybody else get that? 2) Everything I import (DV50) into FCP (ver. 5.1.1 PPC) comes in at 29.97. I am stumped as to how to get it to play smothly in a 24p timeline. This is just for my tests at this point. Thanks to all, Peter

[Jan Crittenden livingston]

Peter,

The HVX200 captures footage in much the same way as the DVX. That said. You should be very clear on how you have the camera set up. In all instances the footage will come in as captured at 29.97, that is the way it works in DV or DVCPRO50. You then have to set up the sequence to remove the 2:3:3:2 in 24PA or run Cinema Tools to remove the 2:3 pulldown.

So first make sure that you have the camera set up for a 24PA cature in DVCPRO50 and then set up your FCP timeline for proper capture and removal. If you cannot see the difference between the DV footage and The DVCPRO50 footage I think it is time for a new monitor.

Hope this helps,

Jan

Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems

[Peter Sassi]

Jan,

WOW, I seem to be a terrible communicator here. I thought I said:

1) To me, the difference in “look” when shooting DV50 24p and 60i does not seem as dramatic as it is with DV25,(The image itself is absolutely superior though.

I am talking a matter of degree here in DV50, 24p and 60i, versus the degree of 24p and 60i in DV25. I am not comparing DV25 to DV50, I never said that.

What I am trying to understand is exactly HOW, one sets the timeline for the removal. With tape, you do it upon CAPTURE, right? With P2 and import, I have simply set the timeline for 23.96fps, and it is obviously the wrong procedure as it chugs, so as I said in a previous post, short of Cinema Tools, how do I remove the pulldown on a set of shots that I have imported?

Thanks for your patience. Sometimes I do miss face-to-face communication 😉

Peter