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  • DV footage goes dark when compressed to MP2…. Why?

    Posted by Danny Dodge on May 29, 2006 at 4:56 am

    Has anyone experienced the problem of having DV footage go dark (black level drop or gamma darkened) when compressing it into MP2 for DVD production? If so, is this an inherent problem or is there a work around. I’ve even tried lifting the blacks to compensate for the darkness, but it still ends up dark. It’s almost as if MP2 compression assumes there’s always a zero black in the image and therefore resets the image to compensate.

    Background:
    I work on a G5 2.3ghz running FCP 5.0.4 and DVD Studio Pro 4.0.3
    I’ve tried exporting through compressor and DVD Studio Pro and the DV footage still comes out darker on both. If I capture the footage as 8bit uncompressed instead of DV through firewire the problem goes away.

    Problem two, capturing HDV footage via firewire and then compressing to MP2 gives me the same darkening problem.

    I know the immediate solution is not to capture through firewire, but until I get a deck that feeds SDI or HD-SDI I’m stuck with firewire capture.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Danny

    Danny Dodge replied 19 years, 11 months ago 9 Members · 24 Replies
  • 24 Replies
  • Jonathan Miller

    May 29, 2006 at 5:38 am

    Danny, until someone else can post on this thread, I’m going to say that it’s an issue with Compressor.

    Can you try to do a test by using another encoder? Perhaps you still have an old version of Cleaner laying around?

    If not, then maybe you can try one of my new favorite encoding applications, ffmpegx? You can use it for free to see if it works, and then donate $15 to register it if you like it. I have to admit, I only use it to make iPod-compatible H.264 files, but I just love it. It can do so many things…

    https://homepage.mac.com/major4/

    You can tweak the settings as much as you like, and if you get it to work just right, then you can save a preset. Sure, it’s not as easy as just exporting your timeline to Compressor…you’ll have to make a QT reference movie, but this may just solve your problem.

    I seem to remember reading recently that the issue you’re having is a known problem–especially since it does not affect uncompressed codecs. I hope you can get it to work, and if you need anything just hollar!

    Good luck!

    Jon
    TreeLine Productions
    Fort Collins, CO USA

    Currently producing these popular podcasts:

  • Alexander Gao

    May 29, 2006 at 5:42 am

    I hope it’s just a problem with compressor, as if it happens to be an inherent property of MPEG-2 video, then all that color-corrrection is for nothing when going to a dvd.

    I have noticed this problem also when using compressor, but I will post my other results when using sorenson squeeze.

    Alexander Gao

    “When the revolution happens, I’ll be leading it.”

  • Alan Lacey

    May 29, 2006 at 6:45 am

    No, it’s compressor.

    Export using QT conversion and you pictures will look beautiful.

    I’ve even had compressor wrecking keying logos and all sorts. I never use it now for mpeg2 work

    Alan

  • Jonathan Miller

    May 29, 2006 at 7:31 am

    Cool.

    Do you mean export using a movie or ref. movie and then export to MPEG2 using QT?
    I don’t think you can export to MPEG2 using QuickTime comversion in the export menu of FCP 5 any longer.

    Jon

    Good luck!

    Jon
    TreeLine Productions
    Fort Collins, CO USA

    Currently producing these popular podcasts:

  • Don Greening

    May 29, 2006 at 8:58 am

    Here’s someone’s test to see why footage exported from FCP can be visibly darker one way, then brighter when exported another way. Different workpath, different result.

    https://www.visiontracks.com/compressortests/

    – Don

    “Please take a moment to fill out your profile, including your computer system and relevant software. Help us help you.”

  • Danny Dodge

    May 29, 2006 at 1:19 pm

    Thanks to everyone who replied. Like you, I believe it’s a funky compressor issue. At least now I know it’s not just my system. I wish they had just kept things the same so that you could still export an mp2 movie from quicktime export. I’m going to do some more testing and find the best path to take. I hate making color corrections only to have them screwed up by compressor.
    Danny

  • Mantrafilm

    May 29, 2006 at 2:43 pm

    For a real good Mpeg 2 compressor with decent gamma correction and great results (I’m a user, not involved with this company) get the BitVice Encoder here: https://www.innobits.se/

  • Danny Dodge

    May 29, 2006 at 3:18 pm

    Here’s a link to a test I did. It shows how poor of a job Compressor did comparitively.
    https://www.roadrunnerproductions.tv/dv_codec_to_mp2_test.jpg
    Danny

  • Alexander Gao

    May 29, 2006 at 4:36 pm

    So does this mean the problem no longer exists as long as the compressor is fed a ref file to work with?

    Alexander Gao

    “When the revolution happens, I’ll be leading it.”

  • Chris Poisson

    May 29, 2006 at 5:03 pm

    I know there’s a lot of answers to this post, but Compressor is pretty complicated, so it’s worth looking at a few options. Personally, I believe it works best through FCP as the attached article attributes. Also, I like it for it’s preview window and excellent filters, all of which can help you with any gamma and color problem. And you can save those adjustments as a custom preset.

    Read this and go to work.

    https://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/compressor_warmouth.html

    Have a wonderful day.

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