Duplicate as New Master Clip question

[Tony Silanskas]

This is where subclips come into play. When you make a subclip, it will do want you are wanting, keep only the in and out points that you want so when you recapture it will only recapture your new in and out.

tony

[Mark Maness]

That sounds good but that doesn’t work either. And according the the FCP manual, here’s how subclips work when recapturing:

Recapturing Subclips
Subclips refer to portions of media files by using virtual subclip limits. When you tell Final Cut Pro to capture a subclip, the subclip limits are ignored, and the entire duration of the original media file is captured.

This is my dilemma. So… the only way to overcome this issue is to use Media Manager on your project media. The manual talks about this, but MAN… what a waste of time. Take a look at this from the manual:

How Subclips Are Processed
When you create a subclip, you create a new master clip. A subclip is not related to the original clip it came from. However, both the original clip and the subclip refer to the same media file. Internally, a subclip is aware of the true Media Start and Media End points of a media file, but it provides artificial subclip limits to make the clip seem shorter, making it easier to work with in the Viewer and during editing.

When the Media Manager encounters a subclip, it treats the subclip like any other clip, using the artificial Media Start and End times instead of the actual Media Start and End times. This means you can use the “Delete unused media from selected items” option when processing a subclip to create a smaller media file that is only the length of the subclip.

Note: In some cases, you may want to delete the original master clip that your subclips were created from to ensure Final Cut Pro doesn’t attempt to preserve the entire media file referenced by the original master clip.

There’s got to be a faster way to do this…. Any ideas?

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
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[Tony Silanskas]

I apologize as you are right. When I use subclips I always immediately do a batch export with those clips (this works the same way media manager does in that it ignores the original in and out points and uses the new ones), which makes new files split up for me with new names of what they are. This makes it much easier for me to work with plus allows other editors to use the smaller clips outside Final Cut. I then delete the original master file that the subclips came from as it’s no longer needed. Yes, it is extra work but worth it on larger projects. I remember now that I tried what you are doing years ago and realized it doesn’t work and started exporting them out from then on.

tony

[Tom Wolsky]

If your clips have assigned reel numbers when you media manage or do a batch capture of selected you should only be ingesting the selected area plus handles, but a reel number must be assigned for every clip.

All the best,

Tom

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[Mark Maness]

[Tom Wolsky] “If your clips have assigned reel numbers when you media manage or do a batch capture of selected you should only be ingesting the selected area plus handles, but a reel number must be assigned for every clip.”

That’s true… it should work that way but it doesn’t. I’ve seen this behavior since the beginning of FCP. I have some work-arounds now, but it should be easier than this.

I’m an old school guy, so reel numbers are a must when working in our shop. But when we try to batch capture the clips, and let me first say, that its not all of our clips just a few that end up this way, but when you batch capture it captures the entire original clip over and over depending on how many times you made the new master clips. So I guess, using the Media Manager is the way around this issue but to me, it’s an unnecessary step in completing a task. But… Oh well…

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
schazamproductions@mac.com

[John Pale]

The forthcoming release of FCP 8 (aka Final Cut Awesome) will probably fix many if these long standing issues, as it’s a major rewrite…and thus introduce a slew of new bugs to grumble about.

[Mark Maness]

Well, you know what they say about upgrades…

Replace old bugs with new bugs!

Life would not be worth it if software was perfect…

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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
schazamproductions@mac.com

[John Vonmutius]

Forgive me – I am not old school at all, so pretty much all I know is digital workflow. But it seems to me that what you’re describing is:

1. Capturing footage,
2. Editing out what you need,
3. Recapturing only those parts of the footage, and
4. Discarding the rest.

In that workflow, you’re capturing the parts you need twice. Doesn’t it take the same amount of time to create subclips and use Media Manager (deleting unused media and adding a couple seconds of handles) as it would to make new, smaller master clips and recapture those segments?

Coming from a digital workflow myself, I guess I’m confused as to why you’d want to go back to the tape again when you could just Batch Export or Media Manage straight from the digital files.

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[Jason Coleman]

I’m so glad I found this post. It worked for me when Media Manager would not. Thanks for being on the COW!

[Joshua Schwarz]

“Coming from a digital workflow myself, I guess I’m confused as to why you’d want to go back to the tape again when you could just Batch Export or Media Manage straight from the digital files.”

there are a number of scenarios. for example, you are reconstituting a sequence from an old project and the media is no longer online. or, you originally worked in a lower resolution and now that the project is approved, you would like to digitize the sequence at full resolution.

call me old school, but i have yet to have an explanation of pure digital workflow that has the flexibility or cost effectiveness of videotape. and don’t get me started about the archival issues…

– josh