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  • Duplicate as New Master Clip question

  • Mark Maness

    March 1, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Maybe it’s just me… But… Why do we have a feature called Duplicate as New Master Clip that doesn’t create a new master file? I understand the use of duplicating to new master clip but it does nothing to your files at all.

    Let me explain… You have a bunch of tapes that need to be digitized and the shooter was told to roll tape without cuts. You capture your footage and you have a bunch of 8 – 10 minute clips, maybe even longer, but you only need a couple of segments that you’ve duplicated as new master clip. Ok… to save space, it would be nice to recapture the footage into smaller files. But that’s not what happens… What happens is that you have three clips that are about a minute long and you’ve cut this down from a 10 minute clip, when you recapture, FCP will capture the 10 minute clip three times so now you have 30 minutes of footage instead of the three minutes that you need.

    Doesn’t this sound like an issue?

    This has been a sore subject with me for years… Any ideas?


    Wayne Carey
    Schazam Productions

  • Tony Silanskas

    March 1, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    This is where subclips come into play. When you make a subclip, it will do want you are wanting, keep only the in and out points that you want so when you recapture it will only recapture your new in and out.


  • Mark Maness

    March 1, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    That sounds good but that doesn’t work either. And according the the FCP manual, here’s how subclips work when recapturing:

    Recapturing Subclips
    Subclips refer to portions of media files by using virtual subclip limits. When you tell Final Cut Pro to capture a subclip, the subclip limits are ignored, and the entire duration of the original media file is captured.

    This is my dilemma. So… the only way to overcome this issue is to use Media Manager on your project media. The manual talks about this, but MAN… what a waste of time. Take a look at this from the manual:

    How Subclips Are Processed
    When you create a subclip, you create a new master clip. A subclip is not related to the original clip it came from. However, both the original clip and the subclip refer to the same media file. Internally, a subclip is aware of the true Media Start and Media End points of a media file, but it provides artificial subclip limits to make the clip seem shorter, making it easier to work with in the Viewer and during editing.

    When the Media Manager encounters a subclip, it treats the subclip like any other clip, using the artificial Media Start and End times instead of the actual Media Start and End times. This means you can use the “Delete unused media from selected items” option when processing a subclip to create a smaller media file that is only the length of the subclip.

    Note: In some cases, you may want to delete the original master clip that your subclips were created from to ensure Final Cut Pro doesn’t attempt to preserve the entire media file referenced by the original master clip.

    There’s got to be a faster way to do this…. Any ideas?


    Wayne Carey
    Schazam Productions

  • Tony Silanskas

    March 1, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I apologize as you are right. When I use subclips I always immediately do a batch export with those clips (this works the same way media manager does in that it ignores the original in and out points and uses the new ones), which makes new files split up for me with new names of what they are. This makes it much easier for me to work with plus allows other editors to use the smaller clips outside Final Cut. I then delete the original master file that the subclips came from as it’s no longer needed. Yes, it is extra work but worth it on larger projects. I remember now that I tried what you are doing years ago and realized it doesn’t work and started exporting them out from then on.


  • Tom Wolsky

    March 1, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    If your clips have assigned reel numbers when you media manage or do a batch capture of selected you should only be ingesting the selected area plus handles, but a reel number must be assigned for every clip.

    All the best,


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  • Mark Maness

    March 1, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    [Tom Wolsky] “If your clips have assigned reel numbers when you media manage or do a batch capture of selected you should only be ingesting the selected area plus handles, but a reel number must be assigned for every clip.”

    That’s true… it should work that way but it doesn’t. I’ve seen this behavior since the beginning of FCP. I have some work-arounds now, but it should be easier than this.

    I’m an old school guy, so reel numbers are a must when working in our shop. But when we try to batch capture the clips, and let me first say, that its not all of our clips just a few that end up this way, but when you batch capture it captures the entire original clip over and over depending on how many times you made the new master clips. So I guess, using the Media Manager is the way around this issue but to me, it’s an unnecessary step in completing a task. But… Oh well…


    Wayne Carey
    Schazam Productions

  • John Pale

    March 1, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    The forthcoming release of FCP 8 (aka Final Cut Awesome) will probably fix many if these long standing issues, as it’s a major rewrite…and thus introduce a slew of new bugs to grumble about.

  • Mark Maness

    March 1, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Well, you know what they say about upgrades…

    Replace old bugs with new bugs!

    Life would not be worth it if software was perfect…


    Wayne Carey
    Schazam Productions

  • John VonMutius

    March 2, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Forgive me – I am not old school at all, so pretty much all I know is digital workflow. But it seems to me that what you’re describing is:

    1. Capturing footage,
    2. Editing out what you need,
    3. Recapturing only those parts of the footage, and
    4. Discarding the rest.

    In that workflow, you’re capturing the parts you need twice. Doesn’t it take the same amount of time to create subclips and use Media Manager (deleting unused media and adding a couple seconds of handles) as it would to make new, smaller master clips and recapture those segments?

    Coming from a digital workflow myself, I guess I’m confused as to why you’d want to go back to the tape again when you could just Batch Export or Media Manage straight from the digital files.

    Exploring the pitfalls of the 5D workflow. The many, many pitfalls…

  • Jason Coleman

    August 8, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    I’m so glad I found this post. It worked for me when Media Manager would not. Thanks for being on the COW!

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