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  • Dropped frames

    Posted by Daniel Neutzsky-wulff on May 13, 2013 at 7:10 am

    Can anyone take a look at this? I’ve exported a film to ProRes 4444 and it seems to have dropped frames, but I can’t figure out why. This information is taken from right-clicking and selecting properties on the exported file inside of Premiere Pro:

    File Path: /Volumes/Drama_Deluxe_01/Pandora/Exports/060513_Pandora_Essence_Joy_Short_Version_KINGA_MASTER.mov
    Type: QuickTime Movie
    File Size: 767,9 MB
    Image Size: 2048 x 1152
    Frame Rate: 25,00
    Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz – 16 bit – Stereo
    Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz – 32 bit floating point – Stereo
    Total Duration: 00:00:32:21
    Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1,0

    Created with: Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 (Macintosh)
    Project: /Volumes/Drama_Deluxe_01/Pandora/Project_Files/120513_PANDORA_MASTER_DNW.prproj

    QuickTime Details:
    Movie contains 1 video track(s), 1 audio track(s) and 1 timecode track(s).

    Video:
    This movie appears to have DROPPED FRAMES.
    There are 678 frames with a duration of 1/25th.
    There is 1 frame with a duration of 22/25ths.
    There is 1 frame with a duration of 1/second.
    There is 1 frame with a duration of 32/25ths.
    There is 1 frame with a duration of 64/25ths.

    Video track 1:
    Duration is 0:00:32:21
    Average frame rate is 20,77 fps

    Video track 1 contains 1 type(s) of video data:

    Video data block #1:
    Frame Size = 2048 x 1152
    Compressor = Apple ProRes 4444
    Quality = Most (5,00)

    Audio:
    Audio track 1 contains 1 type(s) of audio data:

    Audio data block #1:
    Format = 16 bit – Stereo
    Rate = 48000 Hz
    Compressor = MPEG-4 Audioj

    Timecode:
    Timecode track 1 contains 1 type(s) of data:

    Timecode data block #1:
    Start Time = 00:00:00:00
    Reel name =

    Tim Kolb replied 13 years ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Walter Biscardi

    May 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Was this file originally recorded from another source such as a tape machine?

    I’ve never heard of a file exported from within an NLE digitally creating dropped frame. Outputting to Tape, sure, but never just creating a digital file within the computer.

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  • Daniel Neutzsky-wulff

    May 13, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    No, it was recorded on an Alexa and we edited the footage natively in Premiere Pro. I’ve even tried copying the entire project and all of the media onto a new RAID, with the same result. I even tried creating a completely new project and bringing in the sequences from the old project, but it still results in dropped frames. I’ve tried flattening the PSD’s as well with the same result.

  • Kris Merkel

    May 13, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Are you encoding the video through AME? How are you exporting the video to Prores4444. If you export to another prores flavor do you see the same result? Prores 422 (HQ), prores 422? What is your encoding data rate?

    Lots of questions few answers here without knowing your workflow. If you set the data rate to high the final file may not be able to be played back smoothly because of huge data spikes in the file which would cause dropped frames. Also unless you are outputting for a 4K delivery you gain no advantage encoding to 4444 over 422 (HQ)

    If you share your encoding setting we may be able to help more.

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  • Daniel Neutzsky-wulff

    May 13, 2013 at 2:45 pm
  • Kris Merkel

    May 13, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Everything looks good on your output, AME does not give you many choices to change parameters on output. Your limit bit rate is high, I would hold max to 8 or less, that is just me however.

    Are the dropped frames during transitions, quick movement, the beginning of still frames( pics) and have you exported with a different codec and experienced the same results. I would suggest encoding a Prores 422HQ and seeing if you can tell any difference.

    Are your deliverable specs Prores4444?

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  • Tim Kolb

    May 15, 2013 at 2:03 am

    Is the depth shows 24…I’m not sure I understand that number…I would assume it’s 3×8 bit color channels, but ProRes 4444 should be 10 bit per channel, yes? You’re rendering in max bit depth, so you should write the file at 10 bits per channel.

    However, I don’t think that’s the frame dropping issue.

    I think you want to uncheck “optimize stills” as that could be what is confusing the inspector as far as frame dropping. It’s good for long GOP exports, but you don’t want it for a mezzanine I-frame format. I’d uncheck that, give it a shot and see if that takes care of it.

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