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  • dots dash dot dot dash

    Posted by Lucian Evans on July 11, 2007 at 10:11 am

    hi

    I shoot DVpal and edit on a kona3 FCP suite. When importing footage there has always been black and white dashes outside action safe at the top of the screen. This has not been a problem when the film has been viewed on a tv but when viewed via DVD these dashes are sometimes seen.

    I realise i can resize individual clips to get rid of this or even export the whole timeline and resize but both these methods take time with rendering.

    Is there a way of losing these during import?

    cheers

    Lucian

    Martin Baker replied 18 years, 10 months ago 6 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Stuart Simpson

    July 11, 2007 at 10:55 am

    How are you digitising? Firewire, component, SDI? What deck are you using?

    Are the dots only showing up when you do a letterbox?

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  • Nick Meyers

    July 11, 2007 at 11:19 am

    and is it that the dots are visible on the DVD on a computer, rather than a TV?

    a lot of rubbish that used to be safely outside of viewing area is now visible thanks to viewing on computers.

    no need to crop shot by shot.
    you should be able to crop your entire show.

    you can nest it in another timeline, and crop the nest.
    if you’ve already rendered this’ll mean you have to re-render the whole show.

    alternatively you can ad a slight crop when you compress it in Compressor.

    nick

  • Lucian Evans

    July 11, 2007 at 12:11 pm

    Hi

    I’m digitising via Sony DSR1500AP, SDI. They tend be there when in letterbox.

    cheers
    L

  • Lucian Evans

    July 11, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    Yep, i’ve been cropping in the timeline, cropping in compressor but what i really want is to have something set up to crop on capture.

  • Nick Meyers

    July 11, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    “I shoot DVpal and edit on a kona3 FCP suite”
    “what i really want is to have something set up to crop on capture.”
    “I’m digitising via Sony DSR1500AP, SDI.”

    so that’s either some magic in the Kona card (you could try the Kona forum)
    or routing thru some other bit of hardware

    nick

  • Gary Adcock

    July 11, 2007 at 12:38 pm

    [Lucian] “uite. When importing footage there has always been black and white dashes outside action safe at the top of the screen. This has not been a problem when the film has been viewed on a tv but when viewed via DVD these dashes are sometimes seen.”

    Lucian

    You have to crop it out.

    What you are looking at a visual representation of the LTC timecode track that is normally in what is called the overscan. It has always been there, your process of editing prior to this did not capture it. FW capture automatically crops this data out, the only time you see it is with 3rd party capture cards in Uncompressed workflows

    gary adcock
    Studio37
    HD & Film Consultation
    Post and Production Workflows

  • Will Griffith

    July 11, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    In your final output timeline you could also just apply a couple pixel black matte to the area
    if you don’t want to crop everything.

    Will Griffith
    Producer/Editor

  • Martin Baker

    July 11, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    If you’re shooting in 16:9, then the lines are likely to be the widescreen signalling flag as recorded on the tape. These lines tell TVs that the signal is 16:9 and aren’t present for 4:3 footage.

    AFAIK it’s not possible to crop the lines off on the FCP side during capturing but it’s worth looking into the DSR menus to see if you can disable the WSS flag on the output. Other than that, your best bet is probably blanking them out in Compressor.

    Martin
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