does working at dv give me better previews than dvcpro50?

[Frank Nolan]

[Dave LaRonde] “Absolutely not. As long as the footage in a timeline uses the same codec as the timeline itself, you should be able to maximize the realtime capabilites of FCP”

I may be wrong but wouldn’t that depend a great deal on the drive capabilities? For instance if I’m doing something in a 10 bit uncompressed SD sequence with 10 bit SD footage, are you saying I am going to get the same RT performance I would with a DV25 sequence with DV25 footage?

[Eric Susch]

I’m not sure about that. I

[David Bogie]

To convert captured footage later depends on Media Manager. You think keyframes and marking your outpoints one frame off are driving you crazy? Wait till you attempt to do recapture media to a higher resolution. Avid and Media 100 have provided simple and elegant solutions to this everyday function for a decade. FCP will never be able to do it.

bogiesan

This is my standard sigfile so do not take it personally: “For crying out loud, read the freakin’ manual.”

[Mark Raudonis]

[bogiesan] “FCP will never be able to do it.”

Uhhhhh, what exactly do you mean?

We’ve been doing it for two years now… Off-line RT redigitized to on-line (8 bit digibeta).

That’s hundreds of hours of network TV going through the exact same process we used to do with AVID… only now it’s FCP/X-SAN.

Mark

[Frank Nolan]

So why is it then with say a sata raid you can get maybe 2 or 3 streams of RT playback with 10 bit uncompressed but with the same set up you could get about 7 or 8 streams with DV25?. Or even with an Xserve Raid you could have more layers with DV25 as oppossed to an uncompressed codec?

[David Bogie]

Mark, thanks for posting, you’re one of those people we just don’t hear from often enough.

We all knew there was someone out there for whom Media Manager actually functions. But the FCP community does not call it Media Mangler because we cannot figure it out even though the interface was built by someone from Microsoft. Media Manager doesn’t generally work and, when it does, the results are often flawed which, I guess, means it doesn’t really work after all.

Posts like yours are encouraging, though.

We started a rumor a few years ago that there were two versions of FCP; one that went to post houses and network operations with a working MM and the version that everyone else got.

bogiesan

This is my standard sigfile so do not take it personally: “For crying out loud, read the freakin’ manual.”

[Mark Raudonis]

[bogiesan] “Media Manager doesn’t generally work and, when it does, the results are often flawed which, I guess, means it doesn’t really work after all. “

You’re entitled to your opinion, but making such definitive statements like this is just not responsible… or grounded in fact. I can assure you that the version of MM that I use is the exact same one you’re complaining about. Are there known issues, like speed ramps and still frames? Sure. Could it stand to be improved? Absolutely. But to say it “doesn’t really work” is simply not true. Many of the posts on this board regarding Media Manager are the result of people trying to use if for the first time and simply not understanding the concept behind what it’s designed to do. Other people coming from an Avid are simply baffled by the different terminology and settings used by MM. If it didn’t “really work after all”, then how do you explain our success at using it day in and day out on hundreds of projects?

Constructive criticism is fine. Spreading misinformation is not.

Mark

[David Roth weiss]

Bogie,

Are you even using FCP ver. 5?

[David Bogie]

v5 of what?
FCP. Oh, that. Yeah.

I sure wish Apple would fix my long list of junk that’s still broken from v1 but from your assertions, I can clearly scratch Media Manager off that list. Thanks for the update.

I speak from what I know and from my experience. I just ran MM on a project last week. Simple copy of a ten minute sequence, including renders and handles. Not complicated, no weirdness. Only about 70% of the material made it. We tried it three times and we got three different results but never got a winner. What, in your opinion, do you suppose I could have possibly been doing incorrectly?

bogiesan

This is my standard sigfile so do not take it personally: “For crying out loud, read the freakin’ manual.”

[David Roth weiss]

Bogie,

I simply asked if you had FCp 5. Don’t know why you’re sddressing all that other stuff toward me. Its just that your machines seem to be a bit dated, and typically I see many responses here based on residual mistrust of previous versions of the software.

BTW, I its faily obvious that Apple must be releasing special versions of FCP to their Los Angeles based users. To everyone else, especially those in Idaho, its caveat emptor…