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Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
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Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Rafael Amador on Apr 20, 2010 at 5:39:14 amHi Arc,
Great advantages for the people that works with RED, for the people that mix formats, and for for the people that works for Hollywood. Pity I do not belong to any of these groups.I see that you know very well PP ( I wonder if you are another Adobe’s FC Forum Observer).
But, how do you dare to talk about FC when you have never put your hands on him?
That gets very clear just reading a recent thread of you:https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/900391#900435
You shouldn’t talk about what you don’t know.
rafaelI have used FCP many many times. My friend always has to convert AVCHD into the Pro Res. He hates doing it. He does not have the newest version of FCS so things may be different. He was able to drop and drag more native file codecs into Premire Pro than FCP. He was trying the demo version of PP on his Mac. He liked the demo of Premiere Pro. I am not saying FCP has to transcode all files into the Pro Res but Premiere will accept just about anything. We were not having the same luck with FCP. I am not saying Premiere can accept eveything but I have never had a codec that had to be transcoded into an intermediate codec. My system plays m2t files just fine.
Please explain what I don’t know? If the codec played in FCP but not in Premiere I am willing to bet it was not Native HDV, AVCHD/m2t, MPEG, Quicktime or Panasonics P2 type codec. The only thing I can say is my system works and my friends Mac Pro had not one codec that Premiere Pro did not accept. I admit my friends Mac Pro accepted the m2t codec with out transcoding but it did drop frames slightly. He has two 2.66 Core 2 Duals. My system was playing m2t files in realtime with a 2.666 GHZ Quad Core. I am wondering if some of those folks had Core 2 Dual systems. If so then yes Premiere will drop frames when playing native AVCHD/m2t files at full resolution. I honeslty think it might be a Mac thing. The person stated he is using a Mac with Premiere Pro. I don’t have any of the problems he had and my video proves it. So yes my PC with Premiere Pro can accept anything I throw at it thus far with out the need to transcode. I can even place a Flash file on the timeline. On the PC side Premiere Pro will even accept clipart files from the MS Office Suite.
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[arc nevada] “If the codec played in FCP but not in Premiere I am willing to bet it was not Native HDV, AVCHD/m2t, MPEG, Quicktime or Panasonics P2 type codec”
Arc,
I simply can not work with PP.
I shoot with the NANO-flash and PP doesn’t support nothing else than the 50Mbps files.
Hopefully this have been addressed in CS5.
rafael -
I was editing with R3D quicktime proxies over two years ago, before CS4 even came out, so NO, you don’t have to transcode the file “into the Apple Pro Res” as you put it. The last job I did for LG, I was editing R3D proxies on set with my laptop 10 minutes after Hayden Panettiere finished shooting.
As far as the Mercury Engine goes, Adobe has been really quiet about the exact requirements for full real time 4K playback and effects. I know the price is going to be steep for a PC that can actually handle it and there aren’t going to be any people editing 4K on a laptop with fire wire or esata. Just look at the requirements for a Resolve to grade 4K in real time, and that utilizes multiple graphics cards just like the Mercury Engine. Why would you edit with full 4K resolution anyway? I don’t know any normal cards that support 4K to 4K monitoring with R3D besides the Red Rocket and that’s not going to work on a Mercury Engine system.
Adobe has not been quite about the system requirements. Infact they listed what cards are supported over 4 months ago. You are just too much of a Premiere Pro hater to go and get the facts.
The Red Rocket won’t work with the Mercury Playback Engine? You are a silly man and not really worth my time. The Mercury Playback Engine eliminates the need for the Red Rocket dude. Why would I spend over $4,750.00 for the Red Rocket When I can buy a GTX 285 video card for $300.00? The Nvidia Graphics card does all the realtime. You do not need multiple graphics cards to playback 5 layers of native R3D codec. One Nvidia card does it all. You can use a $199.00 Decklink Card for NTSC monitoring and CC or use the Nvidia graphics cards HDMI port. You don’t need the Red Rocket with Premiere Pro CS5. To make the statement that the Mercury Playback Engine does not make use of the Red Rocket lets me know you do not have a clue about what PP CS5 can do. Also you are only editing with proxie files because you have to. Why wouldn’t you want to playback full resolution if your system could do it with ease? CS5 will edit R3D files as easy as standard DV. I can build a system with the GTX 285 video card for about a grand even. The GTX 400 series (fermie) should be getting aproved very soon.
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Arc, is this really you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Oio2GcPIb4&feature=related
I’m unsubscribing from this thread. Have fun on Youtube.
Motion Design, Color, Editing
Simulated Wood Grain Cabinet Inc.
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[Dave LaRonde] “However, if you advertise, “in addition to our FCP expertise, we’re also also fluent in the latest version of Adobe Premiere so we can better accommodate our fast-growing base of clients”, you do yourself no harm, you get the attention of early Premiere adopters and you position yourself as being a little bit ahead of the curve… which isn’t a bad place to be.”
We advertise that we can Online / Finish projects started in Avid. That catches people’s eye and we’ll be doing the same thing once we test out the Premiere workflow. Imagine how many people have smaller Premiere systems and would like access to a facility that can finish and output their project for a very reasonable price? Just like we deal with a lot of folks who have very simple FCP systems at home and they bring them here to finish.
It’s a win-win all the way around. Can’t lock yourself into a single tool. I’ve said all along that the day FCP fails to meet our post production needs, we’ll move on. That’s what I did with Media 100 despite 6 or 7 years working with that platform. When it failed to meet my needs, we dumped it and I have never looked back.
Why do you advertise the editing platform you use anyway? The only time we mention it is on our Facility page where we simply list the software that’s used in the shop.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“Foul Water, Fiery Serpent” featuring Sigourney Weaver coming soon.
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“Arc Nevada,”
You have until the end of the day today to update your account to your realname or we will be turning off your account.
Your argumentativeness and lack of answering direct questions that are posed to you — besides being a PC guy who hates Macs and just loves to crap on them (something we have never tolerated here in the COW, regardless if it’s people for or against Macs) — is about to get you thrown out of here.
So, if you are going to make the assertions that you are, step up to the plate and own your words.
Arc Nevada is about to disappear from the COW.
Oh, and don’t tell me it’s because I am a Mac-freak, as I own a few of them, but the largest set of computers I own are Linux-based and I also have a few HP Z-Series PCs — so, I wouldn’t try that one were I in your shoes.
Lastly, you might try being a little more respectful in your comments, as fanboys — whether of the pro- or anti- variety — do not last long in Creative COW.
Ron Lindeboom
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Ron, have you considered a more general policy that everyone sign their posts with a full name, job title and location? I’ve wanted to suggest this even before this flame war erupted. Maybe this is too hard to enforce? I’m on another mailing list that does this and it seems to keep standards of decorum a little higher. (Not to suggest that things have gotten out of hand on this forum — far from it). Maybe this would also encourage some folks to do a little more googling before posting about well tread topics.
Just my two cents,
Matt Lyon
Editor
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[Matt Lyon] “Ron, have you considered a more general policy that everyone sign their posts with a full name, job title and location? I’ve wanted to suggest this even before this flame war erupted. Maybe this is too hard to enforce?”
We would love doing this but I am afraid that using a policy that restrictive would cut down the traffic to a trickle of what it is, and we could pull the plug on Bessie.
We have tried over the last 15 years of doing this, to find a balance between being restrictive enough to get most of the job done, while being loose enough to allow enough freedom that most people can self-regulate themselves.
Unfortunately, there always seem to be some whining anti-Mac or antic-PC fanboy in the crowd from time to time. Either side gets really boring quick.
Thanks for your feedback, Matt. It is appreciated.
Ron Lindeboom
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I had been using Premiere exclusively for a few years, but after moving to San Francisco it became clear to me that in this market most of the work requires Final Cut Studio. Both are great applications which will continue to improve over time. I’ll keep using both going forward.
Bruce N. Goren
“If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?”
John Wooden, Basketball Coach
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