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Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
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“I lost clients because that was back with FCP 1.2.5 and Atlanta was an Avid town. Media 100 cost me clients too because the Avid editors had done such a great job of telling everyone who would listen how bad of an editing tool it was even though the codec was better than Avid.”
I just read your post again. Doesn’t this prove my point? Just replace the words Avid with FCP and FCP/Media 100 with Premiere.
“I lost clients because that was back with Premiere and Atlanta was an FCP town. Premiere cost me clients too because the FCP editors had done such a great job of telling everyone who would listen how bad of an editing tool it was even though the codec was better than FCP.”
Motion Design, Color, Editing
Simulated Wood Grain Cabinet Inc.
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[Illya Laney] “”I lost clients because that was back with Premiere and Atlanta was an FCP town. Premiere cost me clients too because the FCP editors had done such a great job of telling everyone who would listen how bad of an editing tool it was even though the codec was better than FCP.” “
That was 1998 and 2001 when I had first a Media 100 shop and then the changeover to FCP. It’s a different marketplace now and the tool doesn’t matter so much as the artist.
In case you’re wondering, I made the change from Media 100 to Final Cut Pro because at the time FCP could do 99 tracks of video and Media 100 only 2. It was more efficient to switch to FCP. My clients didn’t care when I made the switch. But since I wasn’t running Avid, I continued to lose clients until many producers started to realize that this is a pretty good tool and the person driving it is more important than the tool itself. They also appreciated that my rates were a good $100/hour less than most of the Avid shops.
If you require FCP to stay competitive, then you better keep using it. In my position and with my clientele (broadcast and independent features) they’re here for me and my staff. They trust that I put the correct tools in place to get the job done as quickly and professionally as possible.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“Foul Water, Fiery Serpent” featuring Sigourney Weaver coming soon.
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I understand you’re getting an Avid system, and I believe that’s a good move, but are you going to try using Premiere with clients before FCS 3 comes out?
I’m not trying to be rude or smart with this question, just honestly curious to see what everyone’s actually going to do in the next few months.
Motion Design, Color, Editing
Simulated Wood Grain Cabinet Inc.
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Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Illya Laney on Apr 18, 2010 at 10:57:12 pm“The real question is how well it does each task. Can any CS5 fans tell us what it does better and how?”
Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Illya Laney on Apr 19, 2010 at 7:20:09 pm“No it’s not. It’s the artist and the facility that gets the clients. Put a lousy editor in an FCP suite and you’re not going to get any clients. Put a lousy editor in an Avid suite and you’re not going to get any clients. ”
I completely agree, but you’re talking about something completely different. I’m talking about FCP versus Premiere, not skill versus tech. It’s a completely different conversation.
Your original post stated can SC5 fans tell us what is better and how? Now you want to go FCP Vs. Premiere. OK, lets do it dude. If a client needs you to edit the Red One R3D codec with FCP you have to transcode the file into the Apple Pro Res. That wastes the clients time. With Premiere Pro CS4 I can edit the natvie Red One’s R3D codec. CS5 will allow for multiple layers at 4K resolution with effects. I don’t think FCP will accept the full 4K resolution. FCS and Color? Did you say Color? Both Premiere and After Effects can edit in the cameras native color space or 32 bit if you want boost it up. Premiere has almost all the PhotoShop tools. Are you suggesting Photoshop can not do color grading? Show me something you can do in Color that I can not do in Premiere. Keep in mind the titling system of Premiere blows the FCP titler into oblivion. Let’s not forget Premiere Pro ships with Encore and OnLocation both. Also CS5 now has a screen writing program included. Premiere Pro can accept Avid an FCP files. Premiere Pro works on Mac and PC hardware both. Premiere Pro makes better use of the Mac hardware than FCP does.
Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Illya Laney on Apr 19, 2010 at 11:33:42 pmI understand you’re getting an Avid system, and I believe that’s a good move, but are you going to try using Premiere with clients before FCS 3 comes out?
I’m not trying to be rude or smart with this question, just honestly curious to see what everyone’s actually going to do in the next few months.
Dude, you do realize Avatar made use of the Production Premium don’t you? If it is good enough for James Cameron’s Avatar it should be good enough for any of your clients. You seem to have a hatred toward Premiere and it shows big time. You claim you are not trying to be rude or smart. I can not argue with that at all. If you wanted to be smart you could check out what the CS5 Produciton Premium has to offer at Adobe’s website instead of needing me to make a list for you.
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Hi Arc,
Great advantages for the people that works with RED, for the people that mix formats, and for for the people that works for Hollywood. Pity I do not belong to any of these groups.I see that you know very well PP ( I wonder if you are another Adobe’s FC Forum Observer).
But, how do you dare to talk about FC when you have never put your hands on him?
That gets very clear just reading a recent thread of you:https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/900391#900435
You shouldn’t talk about what you don’t know.
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My favorite is
“Premiere Pro can mix just about any type of codec you put on the timeline where as FCP needs everything converted to the Apple Pro Res.”
Motion Design, Color, Editing
Simulated Wood Grain Cabinet Inc.
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“The real question is how well it does each task. Can any CS5 fans tell us what it does better and how?”
Stop taking this so serious. That was a quote from someone else. Re-read the thread.
My original statement…
“I can tell you what FCP does better than Premiere. It’s better at getting clients.”
You’re advertising all of Premiere’s features, not how it gets clients in current market. You still haven’t answered the question.
To respond to your other points…
“If a client needs you to edit the Red One R3D codec with FCP you have to transcode the file into the Apple Pro Res. That wastes the clients time. With Premiere Pro CS4 I can edit the natvie Red One’s R3D codec. CS5 will allow for multiple layers at 4K resolution with effects.”I was editing with R3D quicktime proxies over two years ago, before CS4 even came out, so NO, you don’t have to transcode the file “into the Apple Pro Res” as you put it. The last job I did for LG, I was editing R3D proxies on set with my laptop 10 minutes after Hayden Panettiere finished shooting.
As far as the Mercury Engine goes, Adobe has been really quiet about the exact requirements for full real time 4K playback and effects. I know the price is going to be steep for a PC that can actually handle it and there aren’t going to be any people editing 4K on a laptop with fire wire or esata. Just look at the requirements for a Resolve to grade 4K in real time, and that utilizes multiple graphics cards just like the Mercury Engine. Why would you edit with full 4K resolution anyway? I don’t know any normal cards that support 4K to 4K monitoring with R3D besides the Red Rocket and that’s not going to work on a Mercury Engine system.
In regards to Adobe, I know what it offers in regards to Photoshop, After Effects, and Illustrator. I do compositing, grading, and motion design for a living. As for Color, I think you should go to the Color forum and start talking about Premiere’s superior grading capabilites.
What market do you work in by the way?
Motion Design, Color, Editing
Simulated Wood Grain Cabinet Inc.
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I’ve always had the Adobe products installed on my systems, even before I had FCP installed. Just because I don’t use Premiere doesn’t mean I don’t own it. It comes bundled with the Production suite and CS5 is an upgrade away.
Motion Design, Color, Editing
Simulated Wood Grain Cabinet Inc.
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Yes, I’ll be fully prepared for the onslaught of new customers breaking down the door. Huzzah.
Motion Design, Color, Editing
Simulated Wood Grain Cabinet Inc.
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[Illya Laney] “I understand you’re getting an Avid system, and I believe that’s a good move, but are you going to try using Premiere with clients before FCS 3 comes out?
I’m not trying to be rude or smart with this question, just honestly curious to see what everyone’s actually going to do in the next few months.
“Well, of course FCS3 is already here. It’s FCS 4 we’re waiting on.
Yes, absolutely I will be trying out Premiere as we will be ordering 5 copies of the CS5 Production Premium upgrades when they are released to update all our workstations. As I’ve noted before, we use After Effects and Photoshop daily and I also dabble with Illustrator and Flash so the Production Premium bundle makes sense. Premiere is part of that package and you better believe I will test it out to see how it compares to FCP and just how easily we can bring an FCP project into Premiere as a legacy project.
Will I throw it into production? Depends on how the testing goes.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“Foul Water, Fiery Serpent” featuring Sigourney Weaver coming soon.
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